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Hirsi Ali

Started by jankren, February 24, 2007, 02:20:04 AM

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jankren

I just watched Hirsi Ali's appearance on my favorite talkshow 'Realtime w/ Bill Maher', and I think she is an extremely intelligent woman. She is very straightforward in presenting her great views. Although she seems to kind of hate his former faith Islam, but I could understand her. I too would probably feel as traumatic as her if I faced a similar tragedy which she experienced.

Anyway, in the show she is not even reluctant to oppose the opinion of a Republican Senator participant that people of every religion lives side by side equally throughout history in Muslim countries in the Middle East and Africa. She argues that non-Muslims in most Middle Eastern countries can live peacefully only if they 'play by the rules' as described according to the Dhimmi system of each Muslim country. Though I feel a little bit offended listening to her somehow, but I fully agree with what she says. I believe the Dhimmi system is bullcrap and should not have no more place in this world.

So, is anyone here familiar with Hirsi Ali wanna share your opinion?

Peace :),


"We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians."
- Nelson Mandela

"Hesitation leads to masturbation."
- Socrates

Arnold Yasin

Salaam,

I am from Holland, and I can tell you that she was kicked out for lying all the time. She isn't out there to tell the truth, she only wants status.

Somebody also posted it on my Forum:

http://ourbeacon.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=462

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PEace Bro Jankren

I haven't heard of this lady at all.

But which country still uses a dhimmi system?  :o

jankren

QuoteAyaan Hirschi Ali has been caught on so many lies in The Netherlands, she fled to America. Nobody really took her serious anymore.

She tried to represent Somali Islam as being the same as mainstream Islam. She was invited many times to conferences with Muslims in Holland but denied. She doesn't want to solve things, she wants to provoke and let people think she is a 'victim' of Islam.

She has lied about her youth, as a tv-show showed how her brother explains she never experienced war or hardship, that she wasn't forced into marriage but accepted it herself so she could flee her family.
Do you have any references to back your accusations above bro Arnold? These days it is hard to believe in what people say about someone easily you know.


"We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians."
- Nelson Mandela

"Hesitation leads to masturbation."
- Socrates

Arnold Yasin

It is all in Dutch. The general feeling in Holland is relief she is gone, she did more harm then good.

Tay

Peace Jankren, all,

I love "Real Time", but I gotta say that was one of the worst episodes ever. It was so dry and bland, and whenever she talked in her tiny little voice, everyone just got silent as if she was saying something profound - which she wasn't. Bill's intro and immense respect for her set the tone for a terrible discussion, because whenever she cut somebody off, they just listened in silence, Bill included, even when she went off on an irrelevant tangent.

While I agree that the dhimmi system is asenine, what the Lebanese republican mentioned was that Christians and Muslims lived side by side without problems in *Palestine* (prior to Israel) and Ethiopa. This is a truth, in Palestine atleast, yet she said it was false and that they lived in a dhimmi system - which is impossible since there was no islamic government in Palestine to my knowledge. I'm not sure how it is now, though.

In any case, I don't know much about the lady, but my first impression was not too good.

Peace,
Tay
And you see the mountains, you think they are solid, while they are passing by like the clouds. The making of God who perfected everything. He is Expert over what you do. [27:88]

lilyfleur

Peace,

Ayann Hirsi Ali is a former Dutch parliamentarian. She has just written a book called Infidel. Time magazine named her one of the 100 most influential leaders of the world. She is currently living in Washington, D.C.. She collaborated with a man named Theo van Gogh on a short film called Submission, that was, according the two of them, based on the harsh treatment of women in the Qur'an. Van Gogh was shot by a Dutch-born Moroccan two months after the film first aired. She was born in Somalia where female genital mutilation is practiced. She clearly had an extreme Muslim experience.

I can't speak of her personally, as I don't know her. However, it is clear to me that she is very misguided. This can happen very easily to people who practice their religion in an extreme way. Perhaps if she ever comes to know the people of this forum she will see what Islam is truly about. For now though, her outspoken ways, and outward beauty (people wise up) are earning her book deals, magazine spreads (she appears in this months Vogue), political positions, and now an offer to become a visiting scholar at the Washington, D.C. based American Enterprise Institute. She has said of her past statements: "I was young, fiery, and impatient when I said the things I did. I now realize that the changes I want to make won't be immediate." She is quoted as referring to the Prophet Muhammed as a pervert and a tyrannt.

Writer Ian Buruma helped in making a movie about van Gogh's death (Murder in Amsterdam) states: "There's a lot of admiration for the way she has spoken up about oppressed women, but she has the zealousness of the convert on this topic. She may be speaking on behalf of Muslim women, but I have yet to meet one who feels allied with her. Mostly, they feel condescended to. Others just resent the way she has stirred things up." 

I give her a big thumbs down, but pray that she will one day come to know the true message of the Qur'an on women and just how very lucky we are.

p, l, f, and j,
lf

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PEace Sis Lilly

Thanks for the info about her. From what I understand from you it seems like she's another "Noni Darwish" or "Wafa Sultan" character. I'll have to read up on her more, you all got me intrigued.

PEace all

jankren

Personally I would rather have 1000 Hirsi Alis than 10 traditional Muslim women who are too afraid to speak out against the oppression toward them due to 'Cultural Islam'. I do not think she is as 'evil' as some people think. I believe women like her are way better than those who submissively agree for example to cover their entire body and face, be kept at home by their husbands all the time, and be made one of multiple wives.

Peace :),


"We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians."
- Nelson Mandela

"Hesitation leads to masturbation."
- Socrates

decepticus

Quote from: jankren on February 24, 2007, 10:23:02 PM
Personally I would rather have 1000 Hirsi Alis than 10 traditional Muslim women who are too afraid to speak out against the oppression toward them due to 'Cultural Islam'. I do not think she is as 'evil' as some people think. I believe women like her are way better than those who submissively agree for example to cover their entire body and face, be kept at home by their husbands all the time, and be made one of multiple wives.

Peace :),
I personally can't stand her. I saw her last year in a program (supposed to take her defence) in the french television and I had a very very bad impression on her! I had not heard about her before. I did not feel the need to know more about her : she is the last of my concerns. Oh! And I prefer dealing with 1000 traditional women  :elektro: (who are more likely to hear a Qur'an alone based discussion)  than 1 ignorant (and stubborn) Ayaan Hhirsi  :brickwall:!

Wikipedia can help :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali

And this is a link to a page of her blog containing reactions after her "show" in the french television :
http://ayaanhirsiali.web-log.nl/ayaanhirsiali/2005/06/i_am_really_sho.html

Peace  :handshake:
"Et nunc, reges, intelligite ; erudimini, qui judicatis terram !"