ZAM ZAM -- Water obtained from reverse osmosis?

[god1quran1]

Aidid Safar claims that the water Zam Zam is obtained from the reverse osmosis process and the equipment is installed the Kaaba. Is this true? I did a web search but could not find any useful links. If this is true when was this done and what were people drinking before the equipment was installed say a 100 years ago?

Any information in this regard will be appreciated.

peace.

[mucahit]

Peace,

This is an usefull link about the Zamzam well:
http://www.sgs.org.sa/index.cfm?sec=311&page=

[Bahman]

Peace,

This is an usefull link about the Zamzam well:
http://www.sgs.org.sa/index.cfm?sec=311&page=

Peace
Looks this site

is government controlled one. Do you knowany independent site?
peace

[god1quran1]

peace,

How can a simple well cater to the demands of millions of people? Did'nt look carefully but could'nt see any mention of "reverse osmosis"

thanks and peace.

[BOOST]

Peace All
i have to be sceptical of anyone who claims something about ZamZam when they have no way of knowing that. Is that an educated guess? As bro Bahman said, the official website is government-owned. No non-Muslims are allowed to enter the holy facilities. You would have to have worked for the Saudi government in maintaining the Kaaba and i think those jobs are strictly for saudis if i'm not mistaken. so if some "aidid" just took something out of his butt and pasted it on a website for the world to see, it doesn't make any of his assertions true. i want evidence for his claims. you should contact him and ask him for solid proof if he is truthful.

[Alen]

Salam.

What exactly is reverse osmosis process ?
I'm just curious because i have never heard of it and would like to stay informed.

Peace.

[AspeRin]

peace all!

peace alen,brother! remember google and wikipedia are your best friends! they find everything u want to know,it takes 2 minutes and u can find out about anything...

i heard a story that some guy went to the zam zam well and they pumped out all the water and saw that it was pouring from beneath the ground/sand and mashallah! great story lol i dont know, God knows best,it could be true...as same as a trick...


peace

[Alen]

Salam.

I once heard of the woman from France who was diagnosed with a cancer and they told her she was gonna die soon so she went to Hajj in Mecca and drank some Zam-Zam and i think she also bathed in it but not sure, anyway, she came back home and was not only without cancer!
She looked different too, doctors were amazed at her recovery!

Peace.

[zenje]

Peace Alen,

she came back home and was not only without cancer! She looked different too, doctors were amazed at her recovery!

Did they check her DNA?

[natu]

Zenje - you got some gift man, you got some gift 

[god1quran1]

Salam.

I once heard of the woman from France who was diagnosed with a cancer and they told her she was gonna die soon so she went to Hajj in Mecca and drank some Zam-Zam and i think she also bathed in it but not sure, anyway, she came back home and was not only without cancer!
She looked different too, doctors were amazed at her recovery!

Peace.

Are you absolutely sure about the reliability of this information?

peace.

[decepticus]

Salam,

I just came back from Hajj wich I performed according to the classic "form" except for some rituals. I will prepare a text about this great, great spiritual and human experience : just to say that I was greatly "moved" although I consider myself (naturally and as a truth seeker, a God alone believer, a Qur'an alone follower) as some one very difficult to impress. If God wills and if I have time I will give you my impressions. But let's keep within the subject of Zamzam.

I really never gave great importance to what my hajji patients tell me about Zamzam water (that it heals their pains, inhibits the sensation of hunger etc.) until I drank it. Its taste is not very different from a classic mineral water of good quality. I drank liters everyday and I did not feel the hunger (I still have the chocolate bars my wife and I brought with us to the "haram" in case of a sudden hunger  )  nor the need to go to the toilets (no sweat since I was for hours in a cooled place, without having the possibility to move more than centimeters) ; I saw aged women with arthritis making the "sa'y" as if they were 20 after drinking that water! I have a patient with hypertension, diabetes, coronaropathy (heart-vessels disease) who stopped his medications (6 drugs!!) in Mekka : I was astonished to find that his disease is equilibrated. He claims drinking Zamzam water for his diseases (I succeded in convincing him to take his drugs since there is no more Zamzam water in his possession  )

Examples like that, stories like that you report, are numerous but I just wanted to testify about what I experienced.

Yes, I know about psychology, psychosomatic symptoms, endorphins and whatever you will suggest as an explanation for that but... 

[BOOST]

PEace Bro Decepticus

Wow thanks for sharing such an amazing story... looking forward to hearing about the whole experience.

i'm sure not only the zamzam water had something to do with these people's health but also being in the midst of such good energy. everyone praying and being virtuous all in one spot must be a centerfuge for positive energy!

Masha-Allah w la quwata ella bellah

[Lobster]

I really never gave great importance to what my hajji patients tell me about Zamzam water (that it heals their pains, inhibits the sensation of hunger etc.) until I drank it. Its taste is not very different from a classic mineral water of good quality. I drank liters everyday and I did not feel the hunger (I still have the chocolate bars my wife and I brought with us to the "haram" in case of a sudden hunger  Roll Eyes )  nor the need to go to the toilets (no sweat since I was for hours in a cooled place, without having the possibility to move more than centimeters) ; I saw aged women with arthritis making the "sa'y" as if they were 20 after drinking that water! I have a patient with hypertension, diabetes, coronaropathy (heart-vessels disease) who stopped his medications (6 drugs!!) in Mekka : I was astonished to find that his disease is equilibrated. He claims drinking Zamzam water for his diseases (I succeded in convincing him to take his drugs since there is no more Zamzam water in his possession  Grin )

peace
Have you ever heard of Christian priests who can heal people? I've seen it happen.
Zam Zam probably does have those effects, but it's not because of the water, it is because people believe that it will have those effects. People believe that zam zam will safisfy their hunger, and cure their diseases, so that is actually what happens. Or maybe it is just the euphoria of being "close to god" (endorphins!  kind of what Boost said, the "positive energy"). Our mind is much much stronger than people think. But, the hunger, and the disease, come back when it's all over. And if all you drink for a few days is zam zam, you will become deathly ill.

So although it may help people, zam zam does not have any special magical powers. It is just water mixed with some minerals.
And in my opinion, it tastes terrible.

[jonny_k]

Peace,
I absolutely agree with "phoenix" here. All these effects are due to "self-suggestion" which is a powerful tool and has even been shown to sometimes rid the body of cancers entirely but in the vast majority of cases they come back at a later stage and real medication would yet be necessary. The "holy" water, etc has absolutely nothing to do with the healing. GOD Bless!

[BOOST]

Peace bro

The "holy" water, etc has absolutely nothing to do with the healing.

You sound really sure about it

[jonny_k]

Peace sis "BOOST",

Peace bro


You sound really sure about it

JK- Yes i do. You dont really believe tht zam zam water has some spiritual power do you? GOD Bless!

[BOOST]

Peace bro

and how are you so sure?

[god1quran1]

Salam.

What exactly is reverse osmosis process ?
I'm just curious because i have never heard of it and would like to stay informed.

Peace.

From answers.com

reverse osmosis
n.

A process by which a solvent such as water is purified of solutes by being forced through a semipermeable membrane through which the solvent, but not the solutes, may pass.

This process is best known for its use in desalination (removing the salt from sea water to get fresh water) and has been used in this way since the early 1970s.

Also found the answer I was looking for ......

Areas that have no or limited surface water or groundwater may chose to desalinate seawater or brackish water to obtain drinking water. Reverse osmosis is the most common method of desalination, although 85 percent of desalinated water is produced in multistage flash plants. [3] Large reverse osmosis and multistage flash desalination plants are used in the Middle East, especially Saudi Arabia. The energy requirements of the plants are large, but electricity can be produced relatively cheaply with the abundant oil reserves in the region.

In short, Zam Zam is no fresh water coming out from a well, it is sea water desalinated through the process of reverse osmosis. Thats why it tastes kind of funny! Also, the healing properties of sea salt are well documented.

peace.

 

[jonny_k]

Peace sis "BOOST",
Do you really believe tht zam zam water has some spiritual power? GOD Bless!

[BOOST]

PEaCe Brother

Yes i do. I believe positive energy transferred into any water can be healing. Now imagine if you have millions of people transferring positive energy. Everything around that place is healing! But water the most because it transmits energy the best.

[jonny_k]

Peace sis "samia",

PEaCe Brother

Yes i do. I believe positive energy transferred into any water can be healing. Now imagine if you have millions of people transferring positive energy. Everything around that place is healing! But water the most because it transmits energy the best.

JK- This stuff is related to homeopathy where energy is tranferred to water while the oriinal substance remains out. If you really believe and have proof for your claims you might as well go to James Randi(randi.org) and claim the million dollar price as he has debunked all such silly notions until now. GOD Bless!

[BOOST]

PEace Bro Johnny

my name isn't Samia but peace upon you too

JK- This stuff is related to homeopathy where energy is tranferred to water while the oriinal substance remains out.

what original substance remains out? I don't think the water is actually not water anymore if that's what you mean. and i don't know who james randi is but there is something more than science. not everything can be explained away with the knowledge we have as of 2007. the transmission of positive energy has been studied with numerous studies using plants and music, and the shape water molecule structures. check out emoto's work.

[jonny_k]

Peace sis "BOOST",

PEace Bro Johnny

my name isn't Samia but peace upon you too ;Dwhat original substance remains out? I don't think the water is actually not water anymore if that's what you mean. and i don't know who james randi is but there is something more than science. not everything can be explained away with the knowledge we have as of 2007. the transmission of positive energy has been studied with numerous studies using plants and music, and the shape water molecule structures. check out emoto's work.

JK- First of all if you believe in water acquiring certain energies in case of homeopathy then you can bring along the claimants and theyll recieve a million USD. Randi has made it very easy. All he asks is to sort out the homeopathic water from the non homeopathic(tell which is which) one and you win. As in regards to music yes that is trnasmitted by molecules touches out ears and those signals are then trnamitted to the brain. Depending on the evolution of the being which receives the sound waves the brain will process them and if certain areas in it are stimulated the being will feel pleasreu. Infact harmocic music has been shown to stimulate the same pleasure regions in the brain as drugs thus causing a type of euphoria but which is not harmful. This however has nothing to do with water sayving crtain energies inside it with which we can cure diseases. Otherwise those who claim this should not hesitate to take the challenge, earn aot of money in a very short time and be world famous. GOD Bless!

[tanveermd]

Peace all,

"The wonderful influence of imagination in the cure of diseases is well known. A motion of the hand, or a glance of the eye, will throw a weak and credulous patient into a fit; and a pill made of bread, if taken with sufficient faith, will operate a cure better than all the drugs in the pharmacop?ia." - Charles Mackay

The God is the source of all healing and spiritual power, not some water. We should believe and trust in The God instead of idolizing some water or stone. The God doesn't mention anything about some "holy" water near albayt anywhere in al-qur'aan. The responsible people take sea water and purify it through reverse osmosis and then deceive millions into believing that it is some "holy" water; this shows just how gullible people can be and instead of using their God given mind, reason, and logic, they fall prey to their superstitions and conjectures, which is an age old malady.

The power of suggestion, biofeedback and mind over matter has been scientifically proven, and despite that knowledge available to us, it is inexcusable to continue living in the dark ages of mythology. Positive thought is essential to producing positive results. Negative thoughts and emotions lower the immune system, while positive thought and emotions actually boost the immune system.

Please see the following links:

http://healing.about.com/od/visualization/a/powerofmind.htm

http://www.universeofsuccess.com/beware-the-power-of-suggestion.html

http://www.tranceformation.com/trance.mv?ARTID=drweil

http://forum.nlpacademy.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=97&highlight=&sid=ed63b82457fedd83c6919d4133afc3ad

http://skepdic.com/faithhealing.html

For those interested in James Randi, please see the following clips and article:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3396869920557391806

http://www.princeton.edu/WebMedia/lectures/20011016randiTV7300K.asx

http://www.randi.org/jr/021805a.html

For info on the million dollar challenge:

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

James Randi's website:

http://www.randi.org/

[almarh0m]

Salaamun alaykum

It is amazing that so many people believe that Zam Zam water has a Miraculous Healing Power in It.
the First Time I went to Mecca in 1994 , I too, believed in the Magical Zam Zam . At the time I was abusing chemical substances and my Folks being a Good Sunni ( wahabi ) family with good Intentions, decided to take me along to the Holy land in Order to Cure me from My addiction . They firmly believed that, a Dayly Diet of Zam Zam Water and dates as well some Roasted camel meat will do the Trick  .

Anyway , prior to leaving for Jeddah , I was prescribed Rohypnol Tablets to help me cope with the Withdrawal Symptoms and my physician advised me to take it with me where-ever I go ( good advice ) . Unfortunately, one of my brothers who came with us , Talked me out of Taking any Medication to Mecca as he Believes 100% that I would be cured just by being in the Holy Land and by Drinking Zam Zam Water every day  
To cut the story short, It was to no avail, we spent 42 days in Mecca and Medina , 16 days of that I spent in the hospital with IntraVenous Tubes stuck up both arms plus heart monitor . so much for the Zam Zam Magic 

As Brother Tanveer pointed out, Zam Zam water is From Reverse Osmosis and it has a distinc taste which to me felt like the After taste clinging to the roof of the mouth . eventhough took many showers at the Zam Zam water Depot, I did not get Cured from my then addiction . But at least that experience lead me to God only / Quran Muslim. The water obtained through Reverse Osmosis then allowed the Unsuspecting Muslims to believe That IT is a Special water, imho it is a Crime. Unfortunately, the Saudis kept silence when it comes to Miraculous Zam Zam water . Instead of Informing the Ummah that Zam zam is just a water like any other, the Saudis allowed this Deception to continue by their silence.

I have since gone back to Mecca and Medina as an Individual Hajj just to Verify what I had learnt from the Quran regarding haj and Kaaba in 1994. also found out about The Reverse Osmosis Water . friends who have been living in Saudi informed that there are to Kinds of Desalinated Water, The One we Use for Ablution, bath etc which is a direct Desalinated Sea Water , whilst the other Is the Zam Zam which is also Desalinated Sea Water but Put Back into the Underground Reservoirs and Drawn back Up on the First In First out Basis . Hope this Helps.

Cheers
almarh0m.

[almarh0m]

Peace all

Just a minor Correction to my last post , I went back to Mecca in 1998 as an Individual hajj and enjoyed going around the country and drank ZAm Zam whenever I was thirsty 

cheers

[jonny_k]

Peace bro "Tanveer",
Good pts but ive to comment on one claim of yours:

...mind over matter...

JK- "Mind over matter" is usually taken as a paranormal phenomenon and if taken as such is clear nonsense. Moreover the mind itself is comprised of ?nnections of molecules and atoms i.e. matter again. But if it what is meant was that once mwtter combines in a certain way so that it is able to control other loose or less complexly combined matter then the deinition will be correct. GOD Bless!