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INTRODUCTION TO PEACEFULNESS

Started by ayman, November 19, 2006, 01:18:21 AM

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idolfree1

Peace be upon you Warner,

Do you know the story of Musa? Did he fight Firaun physically? No he didnt, because the God does not command that you fight physically unless it is self defense.

warner

Peace Idolfree


Self defence and retaliation. The command of God has to be fulfilled and God does not command injustice.

Jack

72:14-15 is interesting.  In 72:14, the word muslimoon is being contrasted with al-qasitoon (unjust/inequitable people). Hence, muslims are just/equitable, and seek what is rashad/correct . Rashad is the opposite of that which is harmful (72:21).






You gotta follow the truth even it brings the whole thing crumbling down around you - Sam Tyler, Life on Mars (UK)

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense

progressive1993

Peace,

Great article, Ayman.

I would like to share my view regarding the story of Abraham and Jacob.

Quote from: tanveermd on November 20, 2006, 09:06:46 PM
37:102 And when he grew enough to work with him, he said: "My son, I am seeing in a dream that I am sacrificing you. What do you think?" He said: "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, God willing, patient."
37:103 So when they became peaceful, and he pulled him to his forehead.
37:104 And We called him: "O Abraham,"
37:105 "You have believed the vision." It was such that We rewarded the righteous.
37:106 Surely, this was an exacting test.
37:107 And We ransomed him with a great animal sacrifice.
37:108 And We kept his history for those who came later.


Why does The God tell Abraham that he believed the vision when according to the revised interpretation he did not make any attempt to believe the vision and try to sacrifice his son ?

Why did The God ransom him with a great animal sacrifice ? That does not make sense if Abraham did not even try to sacrifice the son and became peaceful instead and pulled him to his forehead ? What was the animal sacrifice for ? For becoming peaceful ??

There is no "animal" in 37:107 and this story has nothing to do about Abraham having wanted to slaughter his son.

37:102 When he grew enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I am seeing in a dream that I am giving you up for a noble cause. What do you think?" He said, "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, God willing, steadfast/patient."

Abraham told his son that he is giving up his son for a noble cause, not to slaughter him. His son being steadfast/patient fits perfectly here, since his mission as a prophet/his future life will require patience/steadfastness.

37:103 So when they both became peaceful, and he (Abraham) pulled him (Jacob) to his forhead.
37:104 We called to him: "O Abraham,"
37:105 You have already affirmed/acknowledged the vision. It is such that We reward the doers of good.

37:106 Surely, this was an exacting test.

Giving up one's current life for a noble cause is indeed an exacting test.

37:107 We exchanged him (Jacob) with a tremendous sacrifice.

"Animal" does not appear in this verse. This verse is telling us that Jacob's current life has been exchanged by a tremendous sacrifice (i.e. giving up his life for a noble cause), namely becoming righteous, a muslim/one who is peaceful, a prophet, etc.

10:41 If they deny you, say: "My works are for me, and your works are for you. You are innocent of what I do, and I am innocent of what you do."

ayman

Peace Progressive1993,

Quote from: progressive1993 on November 29, 2009, 03:03:58 PMGreat article, Ayman.
I would like to share my view regarding the story of Abraham and Jacob.
There is no "animal" in 37:107 and this story has nothing to do about Abraham having wanted to slaughter his son.
37:102 When he grew enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I am seeing in a dream that I am giving you up for a noble cause. What do you think?" He said, "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, God willing, steadfast/patient."
Abraham told his son that he is giving up his son for a noble cause, not to slaughter him. His son being steadfast/patient fits perfectly here, since his mission as a prophet/his future life will require patience/steadfastness.
37:103 So when they both became peaceful, and he (Abraham) pulled him (Jacob) to his forhead.
37:104 We called to him: "O Abraham,"
37:105 You have already affirmed/acknowledged the vision. It is such that We reward the doers of good.
37:106 Surely, this was an exacting test.
Giving up one's current life for a noble cause is indeed an exacting test.
37:107 We exchanged him (Jacob) with a tremendous sacrifice.
"Animal" does not appear in this verse. This verse is telling us that Jacob's current life has been exchanged by a tremendous sacrifice (i.e. giving up his life for a noble cause), namely becoming righteous, a muslim/one who is peaceful, a prophet, etc.

Thanks for sharing your view. It makes great sense.

Peace and all best wishes,

Ayman
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Quote from: progressive1993 on November 29, 2009, 03:03:58 PM
Peace,

Great article, Ayman.

I would like to share my view regarding the story of Abraham and Jacob.

There is no "animal" in 37:107 and this story has nothing to do about Abraham having wanted to slaughter his son.

37:102 When he grew enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I am seeing in a dream that I am giving you up for a noble cause. What do you think?" He said, "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, God willing, steadfast/patient."

Abraham told his son that he is giving up his son for a noble cause, not to slaughter him. His son being steadfast/patient fits perfectly here, since his mission as a prophet/his future life will require patience/steadfastness.

37:103 So when they both became peaceful, and he (Abraham) pulled him (Jacob) to his forhead.
37:104 We called to him: "O Abraham,"
37:105 You have already affirmed/acknowledged the vision. It is such that We reward the doers of good.

37:106 Surely, this was an exacting test.

Giving up one's current life for a noble cause is indeed an exacting test.

37:107 We exchanged him (Jacob) with a tremendous sacrifice.

"Animal" does not appear in this verse. This verse is telling us that Jacob's current life has been exchanged by a tremendous sacrifice (i.e. giving up his life for a noble cause), namely becoming righteous, a muslim/one who is peaceful, a prophet, etc.



Forgot to say I concur.

Nice find.
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zubairus

peace all

Quote from: Wakas on November 03, 2010, 10:50:25 AM

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If I may inquire, what was the noble cause mentioned therein and how was it realised?

Zubairus

Wakas

peace z,

It likely refers to spreading the message or establishing the system elsewhere. I am currently reviewing the story of Abraham in its chronological sequence.

The following is a modification of the above post by progressive1993.

37:102 When he grew enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I am seeing in a dream that I am sacrificing you (i.e. giving you up) for a noble cause. What do you think?" He said, "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, God willing, patient.
37:103 So when they both submitted (or became peaceful), and he (Abraham) brought him to his forehead.*
37:104 And We called to him: "O Abraham,
37:105 You have fulfilled the vision." It is such that We reward the doers of good.
37:106 Surely, this was a clear test.
37:107 We exchanged him with a tremendous sacrifice.
37:108 And we left for him among the later generations.

*Root: Ta-Lam-Lam: lay one down upon one's kin (neck/cheek/breast), or forehead in this case. This could be commonly done when one says goodbye to a loved one such as a son/daughter/etc.
Giving up one's son for a noble cause (e.g. spreading the message) is indeed an exacting test, and a tremendous sacrifice.
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Can we maybe link 37/105 with 48/27?
Farouk A. Peru

Wakas

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