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Revised Article on Jinn

Started by Layth, November 04, 2006, 12:54:40 AM

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ayman

Peace Kyle,

Thank you for your comments on this important topic.

Quote from: idolfree1 on November 30, 2006, 05:06:56 PM(34:41)They said: "Your praise/glory; you are our guardian/ally from other than them, but they were serving the hidden (visual thoughts/imagination), most of them are trusters(muminoona) in them (visual thoughts/imagination)."

I think by using trust rather than believe (in every occurence) will give us the correct understanding. If we sit back and observe how we act , we wil notice that when certain things happen in life, we are conditioned to have certain thoghts and images to come to our minds on how to respond. For example, we are on a diet, but we walk pass a bakery and the smell is soooooo delightful, so we start to see ourselves eating the cakes and pies, etc. Or we are somewhere and someone steps on our foot, the image of us punching this person may come to us because on TV or on radio or maybe our friends always respond or talk about responding to such a situation in that manner.

The point is that thoughts and images come to us AUTOMATICALLy based on how we have been programmed or how we have programmed ourselves and WOE to the one who programs but is not aware of the programming(salaat). All of the thoughts and images that come to us AUTOMATICALLy are NOT tor be trusted, meaning followed blindly. We must be at PEACE in all adversities, so that our Energies are at rest, not moving, therefore we can reason properly how to respond, OR we must reporgram our spirits to automatically respond correctly.

I generally agree with what you are saying and I see wisdom in it.

I don't see much difference between faith and trust. We should not have faith/trust in fantasies because they are not real. So, for example, we shouldn't have faith/trust in the fantasy of an all powerful stone statue. We control this fantasy with the truth (reality). The problem is not in the image itself per say. Thus, two people can be looking at the same piece of rock, one sees a rock and the other sees a powerful idol.

Peace,

Ayman
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idolfree1

Peace be upon you Ayman,

QuoteI generally agree with what you are saying and I see wisdom in it.

I don't see much difference between faith and trust.

The difference I was trying to point out was between "belief" and "trust". Trust adds the element of conviction to the belief. See, there are two kinds of beliefs, one where you are CONVINCED and one where you are not convinced. The one where you are CONVINCED becomes TRUST. And it is that which we TRUST that moves us. Our energies are motivated by this CONVICTION, wether for right or wrong.


Let me give an example, one is living in poor conditions and they asy "I believe one day I will get enough money to do such and such"...yes, they have that belief, but it does not really "MOVE" them per say....however, lets say this same person gets a call from thier brother or sister saying that they think they just came across an idea that will make them rich and they explain how this will work, etc...now this same belief of one day getting enough money has CONVICTION behind it and so when they say it now, there is EBERGY behind it, you can "feel" it. But this does not make it Truth(KNOWLEDGE), it is still a belief because it is not certain if you will make money. But the difference is the energy.

I will search for a better example to clarify this point.

>>> We should not have faith/trust in fantasies because they are not real.<<<

This is a point where we differ and I hope we can have good dialogue about this as we move foward. I am using the word Imagination rather than fantasy, because what I have come to understand is that what you do in your imagination and what you do in real life is NOT DIFFERENTIATED in your spirit!!!  Meaning your imagination is VERY REAL as far as your spirit(nafs) is concerned, and that is why/how the imagination is used as a tool for programing/reprogaming the spirit(nafs). We can use the example of the "wet dream" where one is having sex in a dream (imagination) and wakes up to find they have literally ejaculated. Sports players use imagination to improve thier game. If you imagine yourself performing a perfect golf swing over and over again, your spirit registers that as perfect swings in real life, and you become better at your real performance.

We can go into that more but my point is that Imagination is very real, the problem is that the images that come to us in moments of adversity SUGGEST to us how to act, if we TRUST those images, we could be steered in the wrong direction.


thegod

Quotelayth wrote:
Conclusion

1. Jinn are beings made of energy \"Plasma\" that is derived from smokeless fire;
2. Jinn were created before mankind to serve God and uphold his commands;
3. Jinn were able to travel the galaxy and listen-in on God\'s commands to His angels;
4. Jinn failed in the task of upholding God\'s commands and were replaced in authority by mankind;
5. Satan pleaded with God to remain on Earth and prove that mankind is unworthy;
6. God granted Satan\'s request, with restriction on the movement of Jinn to this universe only;
7. Jinn camp is split between those who repented to God and those who insist on Satan\'s way;
8. Human messengers are sent not only to revert mankind, but also to revert Jinn;
9. Jinn may whisper to all humans, except those who invoke God\'s protection;
10. Jinn may move physical objects, possess artistic as well as construction abilities.

# a good read....quite well supported by quran! :-)

....however, at  the moment, i ve reservations about conclusions 4 and 9...and maybe a bit about 8!

## nonetheless...well-articulated and clear....a good read! :-)

Meteora

Yeah about Jinn...I read they do not possess the ruwh, or spirit..if so, how do they go to heaven?
Quote from: Anonymous (Free Minds)Ignorance is of course the most prized possession of any cult.
Quote from: Anonymous (Submission)Quran alone is too much for those who had too many years of corrupted Islam.
Quote from: Edip Yuksel on December 23, 2007, 04:20:01 PM

MUNZIR ALI

Quote from: Meteora on October 27, 2009, 08:31:37 AM
Yeah about Jinn...I read they do not possess the ruwh, or spirit.
Where?

Meteora

Quote from: Anonymous (Free Minds)Ignorance is of course the most prized possession of any cult.
Quote from: Anonymous (Submission)Quran alone is too much for those who had too many years of corrupted Islam.
Quote from: Edip Yuksel on December 23, 2007, 04:20:01 PM

MUNZIR ALI

Quote from: Meteora on October 27, 2009, 04:56:17 PM
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