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Danish

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God needs us and/or we need God?
« on: August 15, 2006, 09:07:39 AM »
Any understanding will be appreciated and hope that members can participate and discuss this issue without provocations and ill-will?

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Re: God needs us and/or we need God?
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2006, 09:32:35 AM »
My understanding - we need God, God does not need.

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Re: God needs us and/or we need God?
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2006, 09:58:26 AM »
I agree with you 100% Zenje without one single provocation or ill-will ;)

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Re: God needs us and/or we need God?
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2006, 10:13:09 AM »
My understanding - we need God, God does not need.
Peace Zein, all,

That is part of the concern requested. Can you please expand on this notion of "we need God but God doesn't need us"? Thanks.

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Re: God needs us and/or we need God?
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2006, 10:29:31 AM »
God is the self-sufficient, eternal, all powerful. The omnipotence of God is part of our fundamental beliefs basically, can't see this being much more of a discussion unless you wish to elaborate further.

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Re: God needs us and/or we need God?
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2006, 10:43:24 AM »
Peace Danish,

I agree with what Al-Quraishi just pointed out. Also, the God is the Sustainer, Provider, Nourisher... we need the God. The God does not need, period.

I'm not sure if you're looking for something in particular, in your question, or am I missing something?

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If they turn away, then Say: "God is enough for me, there is no god but He, in Him I put my trust and He is the Lord of the great throne." [9:129]

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Re: God needs us and/or we need God?
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2006, 12:30:33 PM »
Peace all,

In the frame of human mind seeing |a purpose | indicates a need behind it!
Where there is an invention, first was a need!
When there is a plan, one searches a purpose. and in that purpose one EXAMINES THE DEGREE OF fullfillment to a NEED.
The creation is purposeful but the maker is not in NEED.
Here the parallel is broken. Man can not rationalize the act of GOD with the indicators of his own existence.
Later i will elaborate more!

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As the light of the sun helps the plant to grow, so the divine Spirit helps the soul towards its perfection.

Danish

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Re: God needs us and/or we need God?
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2006, 01:28:32 PM »
God is the self-sufficient, eternal, all powerful. The omnipotence of God is part of our fundamental beliefs basically,...
And just how do know all this? If God doesn't need us, then what was "HIS" purpose of sending messengers and scriptures for us to obey "HIM"?

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Re: God needs us and/or we need God?
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2006, 01:30:00 PM »
Peace all,

In the frame of human mind seeing |a purpose | indicates a need behind it!
Where there is an invention, first was a need!
When there is a plan, one searches a purpose. and in that purpose one EXAMINES THE DEGREE OF fullfillment to a NEED.
The creation is purposeful but the maker is not in NEED.
Here the parallel is broken. Man can not rationalize the act of GOD with the indicators of his own existence.
Later i will elaborate more!

HOWAL AZZIZ OL SAMAD
Good deal, I'd certainly love to hear from you.

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Re: God needs us and/or we need God?
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2006, 01:59:18 PM »
Peace be upon you,

God DOES need man, just not the individual. What I mean is that we SERVE the God as vehicles for his attributes to come into the world. But we say the God does not need because wether it is you or I or someone else, the God WILL manifest. Thats why we can say that the God does not need. So to put it more clearly, the God USES man, but does not need anyone in particular.