it is very clear that
"but a fitna for disbelievers" is the MAIN and only function of No 19 and not first of five, listing starts after those words and not before them, that is, all functions listed after words
"fitna for those who disbelieve" are not caused by their number itself but by their number being but a fitna/punishment (in hereafter) for those who disbelieve.
This is what verse says in Arabic, this is natural reading and is obvious fact, EXCEPT in the case if someone is confused and heavily influenced with preconceived idea of existing a consistent miraculous code of 19 divisibility in the quran.
His translation is too distorted and it hardly convey the meaning of the verse, the verse says that FITNA for those who disbelieve is the prime, main and the ONLY FUNCTION of "
the hell angel number". All other "functions/things mentioned in the verse are result of their number being fitna/punishment/torment.
?We have NOT made their number - BUT a fitna for those who disbelieve; that??So it is not their number itself that will do the job of convincing, but their number being nothing
"BUT A FITNA/punishment/torment for those who disbelieve (in hereafter)" will do the job of convincing/getting certainty and increasing iman of the people in this world), 19 angels being but a torment/punishment for disbelievers in hell will do the job and not No 19 itself and not code 19:
Their number being but a fitna/punishment/torment for "those who disbelieved" refers to the hereafter, and functions listen after "their number being but a fitna" refers to this world.19 angels of hell fire is a description/example/symbol of torturing in hell fire- one of the main quranic concepts that was detailed in it, and according to the Quran - quranic doctrines are of use to people...they increases faith and help to people get to certainty and help them to avoid/stop falling in doubts.
19 stern and severe guardians/employees in hell who perform torment, 19 angels will do the job of increasing and not the code., i.e. the believers knows that there will be stern angels (regardless of their number) that will punish those who disbelieve, this in effect will make their faith increase. There is no question that reading Allahs verses=>fearing of fire and its angels=> avoiding evil and following quran and reading quran=> increasing in faith
Quran is full of warnings with hell fire as one of main doctrines of Quran...And Quran itself is called ZIKR/warning/reminder .... Nearly, you can not find a single page of Quran without mention of THIS WARNING AND ADMONITION- the hell fire... People are warned/reminded in Quran to save themselves from the fire UPON IT (are)MALAIKAH- strong and severe who are never hesitate from performing any commands of their Lord(punishing and torturing of disbelievers in hell.
So Malaikah and their number are but a description as all other hell descriptions in the Quran and means and example of torturing in hell fire, what is the most important such quranic warnings according to the Quran have power to increase faith of believers and have a power to increase in people awareness of hereafter and all the truths and purposes of their lives, and to help the people(who read about these warnings in Allah`s book, and who "
believe" in it, but are not convinced and are not on level of certainty) to attain certainty that Allah exist. Fearing of the punishment in hereafter force, to be just , to read Quran, to learn, to strive in Allahs path and to obey Allah commands in Quran and acting that way they attain certainty and increase their faith...and are prevented from falling in doubts... Does not reading of Quran ITSELF and its warnings,morals,lessons, messages, wisdoms have CONVINCING power?
74:32 Indeed, by the Moon.
74:33 By the night as it passes.
74:34 And the morning as it shines.
All the above is fine, Allah is swearing with 3 miracles that we see every day that:
74:35 This (NUMBER) is one of the GREATEST (KUBRA).
Why did you add the word (NUMBER) in the translation bro?, the word does not appear in the Arabic verse, here it is:
? إِنَّهَا لَإِحْدَى الْكُبَرِ?, if the verse is talking about a number which is masculine then it should be :
? انه لَإِحْدَى الْكُبَرِ?, can you spot the difference, therefore it has to be about SAQAR or its Fitnah, which is one of the 7 sections in Hell and obviously Allah referred to SAQAR in feminine form as we saw from the feminine forms
? لَوَّاحَةٌ?, ?
Lawaha?,
? تُبْقِي?, ?
Tubqi?,
? تَذَرُ?, ?
Tazir?,
? عَلَيْهَا?, ?
Alaiha?
If 74:35 is talking about a number then all the above words must be masculine which is not the case, if it was talking about it as a miracle of code 19 then the whole sura won?t make sense unless severe manipulations to vital Arabic words are injected into the context and that is what R K did exactly
74:36 A WARNING (NAZEER) for the PEOPLE (BASHAR).
Yes that is what makes sense, warning us about SAQAR is what has to be done according to the order given to the prophet in 74:2, to arise and warn the people.
74:37 For those who want to progress or regress.
Exactly
Though the function of 19 is listed in Chapter 74, Muddassir (The Hidden One), its implication and fulfillment was kept hidden according to God's will as the Quran's secret for 19x74 lunar years after its revelation to Muhammad.
Really?, however the above it total non sense because you need to explain the following first:
a) Allah is talking to that thing called ?
The Hidden?, 74:1
b) Allah is ordering that thing called ?
The Hidden? to arise and deliver thy warning!, 74:2
c) Allah is ordering that thing called ?
The Hidden? to magnify thy Lord, 74:3
d) That thing called ?
The Hidden? has cloths, and an order was given to keep that cloths clean, 74:4
e) That thing called ?
The Hidden? was ordered to shun the uncleanness, 74:5
f) That thing called ?
The Hidden? was ordered to show not favour to people in power, seeking worldly gain, 74:6
g) That thing called ?
The Hidden? was ordered to be patient for thy Lord's (Cause), 74:7
However, the All-wise God, unveiled this secret via a monotheist scientist in 1974,
LOL bro, why He has done that, I guess someone like you who tends to explain every action Allah makes should have a go at it, haven?t you asked yourself that question before?, again you need to explain the following if the Hidden as you explain means the secret about code 19:
a) Allah is talking to that thing called ?
The Hidden?, 74:1
b) Allah is ordering that thing called ?
The Hidden? to arise and deliver thy warning!, 74:2
c) Allah is ordering that thing called ?
The Hidden? to magnify thy Lord, 74:3
d) That thing called ?
The Hidden? has cloths, and an order was given to keep that cloths clean, 74:4
e) That thing called ?
The Hidden? was ordered to shun the uncleanness, 74:5
f) That thing called ?
The Hidden? was ordered to show not favour to people in power, seeking worldly gain, 74:6
g) That thing called ?
The Hidden? was ordered to be patient for thy Lord's (Cause), 74:7
according to the most commonly used calendar, a calendar allegedly based on the birth of Jesus, which is considered a holy day and the sign of the End (19:15). As a result, the number 19, as the miraculous code of the Quran and the Bible strengthened and continue to strengthen the faith of believers, removed and continue to remove doubts in the heart of people of the book, and intellectually tormented and continue to torment hypocrites and unappreciative disbelievers.
Absolutely irrelevant and makes no sense to me. I guess I?m misguided by Allah don?t you reckon?
Now let's first discuss the words written in CAPITAL letters in the translation of the verses above. Then, we will discuss each of the popular excuses used by the unappreciative disbelievers of the miracle 19.
I have to say, yeh bro, please let?s get into it please.
We should understand the meaning of these words by first referring to their usage in the Quran.
I agree
Their immediate context as well as their use in other verses is usually sufficient to illuminate their meanings.
I agree, but you can?t drop the common sense bro, so if the word has more than one meaning then the context and the common sense must control the meaning
For believers who have been lucky to witness this great miracle,
LUCKY, hmmmmm, ok I guess it is all about luck then and those who lived from year 570 and died before 1974 were not so lucky hey?
the meaning of the verses above is good news;
of course it is because when you warn someone of any punishment it has to be good news because that person has a chance now to avoid that punishment
it gives them hope, enlightens them, informs them, and turns their faith from wishful thinking or conjecture to knowledge-based faith. Thus, the rhetorical value of these verses is very high for believers:
You keep saying wishful thinking without saying what it is exactly, can you please help me out because it seems I belong to those with wishful thinking as you claim?
And I agree with you that rhetorical value of these verses is very high for believers but only if they don?t manipulate it and if they do then they are not believers any more, we also have seen in 74:31 that the fitnah (the punishment) is only directed at the unbelievers NOT the believers
74:27 ---> SAQAR (saqar, to be defined by the following verses)
Sure, let?s see what you have to say:
74:28 ---> (NOT MORE, NOT LESS; PRECISE; PERFECT);
Absolute non sense, 74:28 means anyone who enters SAQAR will be tormented and it won?t leave or let him/her
74:29 ---> LAWAHA (obvious; visible; tablet; screen)
Another clear cut non sense that only shows either ignorance or deliberate manipulation to the word ?
Lawahah?, to link it to the other word ?
Alwah?, ?
Tablets? makes me laugh indeed, again it is only based on the flawed method of the 3 letters root that always makes different words the bloody same, what non sense is that?, why then we drive different words with different letters from the first place.
Lawahah has nothing to do with visibility in fact it only relates to feeling the heat without seeing it, like a very hot day in summer and the Arabs use this expression commonly to refer to scorching heat
74:29 ---> BASHAR (humans; people)
I agree
74:31 ---> HIYA (it; reference to the number 19)
Absolutely non sense because the number 19 is masculine ?
ADAD? and ?
HIYA? is feminine. In fact ?
HIYA? is referring to the feminine word ?
Fitnah?, ?
Punishment?, mentioned earlier in the same verse.
74:31 ---> ZIKRA (reminder; message)
I agree.
74:35 ---> HA (it; referring to the number 19)
Sorry, this is absolutely non sense again because the damir ?
HA? is feminine and number 19 is masculine ?
ADAD?, the ?
?HA? is referring to SAQAR or its Fitnah and both are feminine
74:35 ---> KUBRA (great miracles)
A clear cut case of manipulation indeed, ?
KUBRA? means ?
BIG?, and the word miracle was never mentioned in the Arabic verse, the verse only means that what we are warned about ?SAQAR? is something very big that should take our attention or even it can be taken 100% literal that SAQAR is a huge fire based on the following verse:
Who shall enter the big fire;
[The Quran ; 87:12]
الَّذِي يَصْلَى النَّارَ الْكُبْرَى (12)
74:36 ---> NEZEER (warner to be embraced and supported)
I agree, but I just don?t understand what you put in the brackets really, it seems you are trying hard to refer indirectly to R K, however R K didn?t warn us from anything new, all the things he said were delivered more than 1400 years ago so he can?t be a warner really unless you consider that not believing in code 19 is a warning that will earn its followers hell?, which is ridiculous because there are millions who accept the Quran without the need of any miracle whatsoever and again Allah never mentioned that made up code directly in the Quran as a requirement for the belief. Total rubbish you are promoting man
On the other hand, those who have deprived themselves from witnessing the miracle 19 because of their ill intentions or their dogmatic rejection try hard to render these key words incompatible with the semantic context of the Quran. They conceive God of the Quran as an angry and despotic God who is not able provide any reasonable argument against those who question the Quran's authenticity, but only resorts to intimidation: "I will burn you in hell!!!" The God they depict has double standard: He asks the disbelievers to bring their evidence for their argument (2:111; 11:17; 21:24; 27:64; 28:75; 35:40) but for His argument He only wants to scare them! The opponents of 19-based miracle, by distorting the meaning of the words in these verses, manage to blind themselves to one of the most profound philosophical and theological arguments and evidences in history. Not only they divert themselves from the right path they try to divert others too (6:25-26; 22:3; 41:83).
Too emotional bro and it will be a total waste of my time and yours to respond to the above, sorry
Thus, the understanding (more accurately, the misunderstanding) of those who cannot appreciate God as He should be (6:90-91), the argument for Quran's authenticity is scorching, burning, dark, hellish, misfortune, disastrous, and scary. Thus, in the minds of opponents of miracle 19, the rhetorical value of these verses is simply a threat to burn and torture:
Of course it is a warning from a horrifying threat, it can?t be anything else and in fact this is the main theme of the Quran so you have a lot of verses to manipulate bro to prove to us that they don?t mean scorching, burning, dark, hellish, misfortune, disastrous, and scary
Let?s see how accurate the following understanding us from my perspective:
74:27 ---> SAQAR (hell-fire)
Wrong, because SAQAR is only one section out of the 7 sections in the hell-fire, so it can?t be the whole hell-fire
74:28 ---> (NEITHER LEAVES THE FLESH NOR THE BONES; DESTROYS CONTINUALLY);
Sort of, but I see it means more that it won?t leave them or let them go, i.e. they will be imprisoned in it
74:29 ---> LAWAHA (scorching; burning; shriveling)
I agree
74:29 ---> BASHAR (skin)
Wrong, because Bashar means ?mankind?, or roughly ?the people?
74:31 ---> HIYA (it; referring to hell-fire)
Wrong, because HIYA is referring to SAQAR which is only part of the hell-fire
74:31 ---> ZIKRA (news of disaster)
Sort of, it means reminder to be accurate
74:35 ---> HA (it; referring to hell-fire
Wrong, because the feminine damir HA is referring to SAQAR or its Ftinah
74:35 ---> KUBRA (great punishment; gravest misfortune; dire scourge)
Wrong, it only means ?
BIG? the word punishment does not exist, however I accept that ?
BIG? can also means ?
GREAT?
74:36 ---> NAZEER (warning to be escaped)
It only means a warning carried by a warner who was Mohammad because He informed us about SAQAR and explained it to us in details.