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[Lobster]

peace sugar,

arnold is right.
God has given you all the tools you need. God is inside you. Always there. You only need to rediscover it. God doesn't misguide people, they misguide themselves. If you are a grown person, no one is responsible for misguiding you but yourself.
The government does not control your beliefs. They can control your actions, but not your beliefs, or your thoughts.

[sugar]

Peace,

You stay pessimistic, i keep going on with my optimistic view....plus, you really talk like a 17-year old. The 'everything sucks' phase

it's called being 'realistic'

And how do I "talk like a 17 year old" And i aint going through a "everything sucks phase", i'm just being realistic, I don't like kidding my self and pretending everythings ok when it aint.

It's not the age, its the SUGAR!

peace

no phoenix sugar makes me HAPPY, without it i feel crap...

God doesn't misguide people, they misguide themselves. If you are a grown person, no one is responsible for misguiding you but yourself.

phoenix put your glasses on the Quran tells us that God is the ONLY one who guides and misguides...

verse 7/178

Khalifa
Whomever GOD guides is the truly guided one, and whomever He commits to straying, these are the losers.

Yusuf Ali
Whom God doth guide,- he is on the right path: whom He rejects from His guidance,- such are the persons who perish.

Pickthal
He whom Allah leadeth, he indeed is led aright, while he whom Allah sendeth astray - they indeed are losers.

Shakir
Whomsoever Allah guides, he is the one who follows the right way; and whomsoever He causes to err, these are the losers.

Sher Ali
He whom Allah guides, is on the right path. And they whom HE leaves in error, these it is who shall be the losers.

"Progressive Muslims"
Whoever God guides, then he is the guided one; and whoever He misguides, then these are the losers.

peace,
sugar

[Lobster]

peace suger,

God might be misguiding them, but why? the why has nothing to do with God.

[Arnold Yasin]

Peace,

No i don't believe it is realistic, as pessimistic is a choice. And this choice is based on certain observations. The question now is:
-was there already furtile ground for this pessimistic view so that you only pick up 'observations which leads to pessemistic thinking', and what i mean here, is that the mind filters things and chooses certain where the conciousness bases it's choices on.

-or is this pessimistic view truly based on objective observation.

Knowing a little bit about your situation, the struggle with your family, your age where in your mind and your body changes rapidly in short time periods. The i go for the first one. You will probably say the second one is more correct, but i have seen your posts and your story a bit so i'll stick with the first one.

As for God misguides, this is one of the biggest misunderstood verses, please read this article:

http://www.tolueislam.com/Bazm/Mansoor/MA_does_allah_misguide_anyone.htm

Peace salt

you're a smart girl, my girl would like ya...

[AspeRin]

aslm
?Verily, We created them and strengthened them, and when we willed, We replaced them completely by people who were not  of the same kind.?
this here blew up my mind! mashallah,i get what it means,allah swt created other beings reenforce them taught them things,then he "replaced" them,with human being,like adam which it was the "first"** ....but not like people who see it as a silly fairy tale,and created from clay and took a piece of rib and made the woman literally.it makes more sence this evolution thing,and before i was agaisnt it just to do the oposite of atheits who dont believe in allah swt, and what most religious people do,but i always had this thing,doubt,about men creation.

**.adam the first man?like maybe the human being was advanced to learn about God so he made him(adam) prophet and became the first man man,not like primitive animals,because man is an animal as per say a living thing that walk eats and sleeps but MORE than that, so that makes him superior.allah knows best

aslm

[Arnold Yasin]

Peace,

Dear asperin, i myself came to the same ideas a time ago. When our knowledge grows, we see that the Quran was already way ahead of us. We have to learn to let go of the fairytales one by one. Here is an article that explains exactly what you discovered yourself:

http://www.mostmerciful.com/adam.htm

[Samia]

?Verily, We created them and strengthened them, and when we willed, We replaced them completely by people who were not  of the same kind.?

I think this is supposed to be verse 76:28:

"نحن خلقناهم وشددنا أسرهم وإذا شئنا بدلنا أمثالهم تبديلا "
If so, then this is not an accurate translation. But what does all this have to do with this thread?

[JavaLatte]

Peace,

No my ex-wife was not sunni or even followed the Quran. After i discovered about Quran alone, she just stopped doing anything with it. She said she didn't need any book to guide her, which i respected. But our divorce was based on several things. We had a knowledge difference that created a wedge between us, as i couldn't share any thoughts with her, as she didn't understood them. She never read books or investigated, she had never finished school. First this didn't matter, but when you are longer together, such differences play a bigger role to be ignored. Love is something that must be fed like a flower, only in the first years it is there without any real need for food. So our different views became a wall. Also different intrests, and then also our differences on things about following the Quran. And also other things. Fighting for Quran alone is my mission, and it was to hard for me, to live with a person who rejected it. Also it was weird as she earlier really believed in it. We knew we couldn't nurture our love anylonger, and it was better to seperate now when we are still friends and respect each other. So we divorced really out of respect and love.

Thank you very much, brother.

I appreciate what you shared above as valuable input in finding suitable life partner.

Love is something that must be fed like a flower

Hmm... nice statement, but personally, I think that only Allah Who can grant true love between male and female (couple),

and I believe that without having faith in Allah, there is actually no true love between the couple, because I think those who don't have faith in Allah would even give their life partners to be exchanged for their safety (in the hereafter), if they could do it.

So, in my opinion, the eternal love is impossible without faith in Allah.

I think the ideal love is a "Triangle Love: God (the Creator) - husband - wife".

And I like this explanation:

The diagram shows the relationships between a husband, wife, and God. Both the husband and wife have an individual relationship with God as well as a close relationship with each other. Notice that as the husband and wife grow closer to God, they actually draw closer to each other. This means that a vital part of a husband and wife?s relationship is their individual relationship with God. If one of the spouses is growing closer to God and the other is not, the triangle?s shape gets out of balance.

[Man of Faith]

Triangle Love... Yes, it is so true.

Be well
Emanuel

[FreedomStands]

Thank you very much, brother.

I appreciate what you shared above as valuable input in finding suitable life partner.


Hmm... nice statement, but personally, I think that only Allah Who can grant true love between male and female (couple),

and I believe that without having faith in Allah, there is actually no true love between the couple, because I think those who don't have faith in Allah would even give their life partners to be exchanged for their safety (in the hereafter), if they could do it.

So, in my opinion, the eternal love is impossible without faith in Allah.

I think the ideal love is a "Triangle Love: God (the Creator) - husband - wife".

And I like this explanation:

Can someone define "Love"?