Month of Moon of Ramadan?????

[JHamza]

قَمَر =moon

شَهْر =month

In 2:185 is says in the شَهْر(month) of Ramadan,while in 2:189 it says  the new قَمَر (moons)...

Why two different words for the same word if they both mean moon?

http://dictionary.sakhr.com/idrisidic_2.asp?sentence=moon

http://dictionary.sakhr.com/idrisidic_2.asp?sentence=month

[JHamza]

I see no one has a real answer,why? because they mean 2 different things,one means month of Ramadan(scorching heat or autumn) and the other means moon as is new moon...
Unless your going to try and twist it to mean what you want then sure Month can mean moon I suppose.. :shock:

[marie]

Blind Dating Versus Perfect Timing

Now that we presented the problem, let's look in the great reading for the solution.

2:185. "shahr ramadhan" is when the reading was descended as a guidance for people and clarifications from the guidance and the criterion, so whomever witnesses "al-shahr", let him abstain it. And whomever was sick or traveling so a count of other days. The God wants to facilitate and not make it hard on you. And so complete the count and magnify The God for what He guided you and perhaps you would be thankful.

A common misconception is that the word "shahr" means month. However, the term "shahr" doesn't mean month. According to Classical Arabic dictionaries, the Arabs used to call the moon "shahr". But what phase of the moon does the word "shahr" imply?

Classical Arabic Dictionaries deal extensively with the etymology of the word "shahr". For instance in the discussion of "shahr", it gives "ash-harat", a derivative of "shahr", as meaning a pregnant woman whose belly is round. It also gives the meaning of "shahira(t)" as a big wide woman. It also gives the meaning of "ash-har" as the bright white color of flowers. The primary meaning of the word "shahr" is "something obvious", "something public", "something wide", and "something bright". Hence, all the etymology of the Arabic word "shahr" indisputably and clearly points to it being the obvious, wide, round, and bright full-moon and not the thin, unobvious, and dim new crescent moon.

[JHamza]

Blind Dating Versus Perfect Timing

Now that we presented the problem, let's look in the great reading for the solution.

2:185. "shahr ramadhan" is when the reading was descended as a guidance for people and clarifications from the guidance and the criterion, so whomever witnesses "al-shahr", let him abstain it. And whomever was sick or traveling so a count of other days. The God wants to facilitate and not make it hard on you. And so complete the count and magnify The God for what He guided you and perhaps you would be thankful.

A common misconception is that the word "shahr" means month. However, the term "shahr" doesn't mean month. According to Classical Arabic dictionaries, the Arabs used to call the moon "shahr". But what phase of the moon does the word "shahr" imply?

Classical Arabic Dictionaries deal extensively with the etymology of the word "shahr". For instance in the discussion of "shahr", it gives "ash-harat", a derivative of "shahr", as meaning a pregnant woman whose belly is round. It also gives the meaning of "shahira(t)" as a big wide woman. It also gives the meaning of "ash-har" as the bright white color of flowers. The primary meaning of the word "shahr" is "something obvious", "something public", "something wide", and "something bright". Hence, all the etymology of the Arabic word "shahr" indisputably and clearly points to it being the obvious, wide, round, and bright full-moon and not the thin, unobvious, and dim new crescent moon.

Peace Sister Marie,
Yes Ive read the article,to me the quote you have only implies that the month begins with the full moon..nothing more...

[progod]

The same grammatical rules that I used to justify that Makkah is not a city in the Quran and that bakkah is not a city either, definitely allows that ramadaan is not the Arab month that we are all used to. It follows the same form as nasayaan and shana'aan(in th Quran) that implies an intensive or during action.  So Ramadaan does means 'intense heat, or lasting heat' and 'shah-r' being a month or a period oof 30 days definitely allows us to interpret our fasting in the Quran to be during a month of intense or lasting heat, and it was such a month in which the Quran was revealed.

With that said, now comes the issue of the pilgrimage. Analyzes Ahillat is a broket plural which can be for alot of different forms 'fa'eel, fi'aal, etc'

I only have a couple examples in mind 'hilaal and wareedat'. With that said haleel could also be the singular of ahillat. Hilaal can also me the equavalent of muhaallat (form III). However, I have never seen the verbal noun of the 3rd form put into a broken plural. I have never seen any verbal nound put into a broken plural. So if anyone can find examples of this, as well as the evocative 'an' overpowering the possessive and propostion cases (jarr) I would appreciate that.

I will be able to give my arguments more backing and can open us up to the more realistic and universal application of the Quran. The next step is finding out which months should be the 4 months of pilgrimage, or if we are allowed to come to a consensus on them on our own.

Godbless,
Anwar