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new jinn theory / jinn hunting....

Started by jinn_hunter, April 13, 2006, 05:15:56 PM

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Arnold Yasin

No it will be a waste with you, as you clearly deny the classic arabic meanings used.............

KGB

Qur'an when all become allegory with the use of classic arabic meanings which makes the message illogical can't be correct.  There are few people who will keep disorting the message of Qur'an to suit their mind.
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soul2squeeze

Peace


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also the jinn refer to the things not seen that are connected with us, that are made by us. I have written an article about it, i will send it to you personaly, because it is not ready yet to post on the forum. But jinn can refer to legnds, desires, fantasies, people from foreign regions, nomads, hermits, munks, travellers and so on. So the unseen refers to in that verse, is a different unseen, then with the term jinn. As this is directly connected with the humans.

[15.27] And the jinn We created before, of intensely hot fire.

How is a legend, desire, fantasy, people from foreignregions, nomad, hermit, monk or traveller made of intensely hot fire?

KGB

Salaam Soul2Squeeze

There are plenty of verses in Qur'an which seperates jins from humans. They don't believe it because their whole mission is to modernized Islam.
Qur'an - The Final Words of Allah (SWT).
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is The Last Prophet & The Last Messenger.
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) Rahmatan lil AAalameena.
Prophet Muhammad is Rosool Allah.
Prophet Muhammad is Kathim un Nabieen.

soul2squeeze

Salam to you KGB, Salam to all

If we could only understand that real Islam is the most modernized without having to improve on it. When will God's Word ever be enough for mankind?

2:67    Moses said to his people, "GOD commands you to sacrifice a heifer." They said, "Are you mocking us?" He said, "GOD forbid, that I should behave like the ignorant ones."
2:68    They said, "Call upon your Lord to show us which one." He said, "He says that she is a heifer that is neither too old, nor too young; of an intermediate age. Now, carry out what you are commanded to do."
2:69    They said, "Call upon your Lord to show us her color." He said, "He says that she is a yellow heifer, bright colored, pleases the beholders."
2:70    They said, "Call upon your Lord to show us which one. The heifers look alike to us and, GOD willing, we will be guided."
2:71    He said, "He says that she is a heifer that was never humiliated in plowing the land or watering the crops; free from any blemish." They said, "Now you have brought the truth." They finally sacrificed her, after this lengthy reluctance.
2:75     Do you expect them to believe as you do, when some of them used to hear the word of GOD, then distort it, with full understanding thereof, and deliberately?

Let us not be of those who challenge God's Word to the point of distortion.
Peace

KGB

Salaam Soul2Squeeze

I agree with you. I still ignore most the the belief they brought up just to aviod unproductive heated debate with no results.
Qur'an - The Final Words of Allah (SWT).
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is The Last Prophet & The Last Messenger.
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) Rahmatan lil AAalameena.
Prophet Muhammad is Rosool Allah.
Prophet Muhammad is Kathim un Nabieen.

Arnold Yasin

Allegorical? No kgb, jinn is not metaphoric, it is clear. Djinn means things/beings not seen. It is the same as saying walking beings, a lot of beings fall under that group. This is the same with jinn. It doesn't refer to one thing or being. It only gives one charachter, it is not seen directly or not seen at all.
This has nothing to do with allegory's.

Also soul2aqueze. This verse implies to several things, but if you look closely, the mentioning of jinn being made out of fire ALWAYS is together with the man made out of clay. So this refers not that ALL jinn are made out of fire. You have to translate the word jinn and see the context of how the word is used together with humans everytime.

I can not explain with one post. If you want i'll send you my article, then you can judge.

Peace

KGB

That is your understanding and jin shaitan are seperate entities than humans is mine. Live with your own understanding and let me live with the understanding which I have. This translation of jin translated as the unseen tribles was introduced by Alama Ghulam Pervaz and I don't agree with them. Message lost its consistancy and become illogical with this translation.
Qur'an - The Final Words of Allah (SWT).
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is The Last Prophet & The Last Messenger.
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) Rahmatan lil AAalameena.
Prophet Muhammad is Rosool Allah.
Prophet Muhammad is Kathim un Nabieen.

Arnold Yasin

Of course, i understand. I respect that no doubt. And i also don't agree with all of Parwez's ideas on the word jinn.
We're both students of the Quran, and come from different backgrounds.

Peace

KGB

Arnold Yasin

You can send me your article and let me read it and give you my opinion based on my understanding of the subject.


Sorry stop saying Peace to the members of the forum because remember a verse where Allah is advising us not to say Salaam to everyone when in a strate land without knowing their beliefs. Don't ask for refernce, I don't have it.
Qur'an - The Final Words of Allah (SWT).
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is The Last Prophet & The Last Messenger.
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) Rahmatan lil AAalameena.
Prophet Muhammad is Rosool Allah.
Prophet Muhammad is Kathim un Nabieen.