Was Jinn created out of fire ?

[seattletruth]

Peace Almarh0m,

If you add the above observations to 21:30, which indicates that every living thing is made of water then we can conclude that "jinn" are certainly not living things. So this further confirms that they are fantasies. The fantasies are the fuel of hell because hell is the worse thing that humans can imagine. On the other hand, there are no "jinn" in heaven. They are not needed. For those who go to heaven by their lord's mercy, everything that they will becomes reality and therefore there is no need to fantacize.

The reward for the good "jinn"/fantasies is not heaven. Their reward is that they are given water (72:16), in other words, the good fantasies are given life.

Ayman

Ayman, you are as much misguided as you are ignorant.


You say that its impossible that Jinn are living things because Allah said they are made from fire, but Allah also said that every living thing is made from water. Have you ever taken a chemistry class to learn what water is actually made from? Hint: H2O

That means, 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom per every molecule. These are the 2 of the 3 components required for a fire.

1. Fuel -- Hydrogen
2. Oxidizer -- Oxygen
3. Ignition source.

Hydrogen by itself cannot burn. Oxygen by itself cannot burn. But when you mix them, all you need is an ignition source. Don't believe that water can actually burn?? All you need to do is "shatter" the molecule with the correct frequency. Watch this youtube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Haj4BX0trU

Or this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOGAkRkCWfA



You then twist verse 72:16 in a perverted manner to assume that because it says that the Jinns would be granted lots of water, that that somehow means the righteous Jinn can never be granted heaven. Have you failed to read the countless parts in the Quran where it refers to heaven as having bountiful supplies of water? Higher heaven has endless drinks, and lower heaven is described as having an endless well of water which only needs to be pumped by hand.

Look at the description of heaven which it says Jesus and Mary were granted.

23:50 And We made the son of Mary and his mother as a Sign: We gave them both shelter on high ground, affording rest and security and furnished with springs.

Does this also mean that they weren't granted heaven? They were given a private condo or something?

You have no right to say things about Allah which you have no knowledge of, Ayeman, and try to pass them off as fact. It is possible that Jinn are living things, even if they were "made from fire". The "made from fire" is an allegory to say "made from energy", as opposed to the human which was made from "organic components" (i.e. clay). Still, energy can be directly derived from water.

Even furthermore I am not sure if you have every read the theories of Einstein, but Energy is equal to Mass times Constant (speed of light) to the 2nd power.

E= MC^2

Do you know what an atom is made of?? An electron spinning around a tiny proton. An atom is nothing founded in reality. Matter is an illusion. It is simply the ENERGY STATE of an atom. When you step down the energy state, you see energy released.

Every molecule, every atom in the universe, is nothing but stabilized energy frequencies (vibrations).

Water is nothing but energy. Any molecule is nothing but energy. Hydrogen is the most simple form of energy.... Therefor, if Jinn are nothing but energy, it can be described that Jinn are also made from water (which is nothing but energy).

[MUNZIR ALI]

Ayman, you are as much misguided as you are ignorant.


You say that its impossible that Jinn are living things because Allah said they are made from fire, but Allah also said that every living thing is made from water. Have you ever taken a chemistry class to learn what water is actually made from? Hint: H2O

That means, 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom per every molecule. These are the 2 of the 3 components required for a fire.

1. Fuel -- Hydrogen
2. Oxidizer -- Oxygen
3. Ignition source.

Hydrogen by itself cannot burn. Oxygen by itself cannot burn. But when you mix them, all you need is an ignition source. Don't believe that water can actually burn?? All you need to do is "shatter" the molecule with the correct frequency. Watch this youtube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Haj4BX0trU

Or this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOGAkRkCWfA



You then twist verse 72:16 in a perverted manner to assume that because it says that the Jinns would be granted lots of water, that that somehow means the righteous Jinn can never be granted heaven. Have you failed to read the countless parts in the Quran where it refers to heaven as having bountiful supplies of water? Higher heaven has endless drinks, and lower heaven is described as having an endless well of water which only needs to be pumped by hand.

Look at the description of heaven which it says Jesus and Mary were granted.

23:50 And We made the son of Mary and his mother as a Sign: We gave them both shelter on high ground, affording rest and security and furnished with springs.

Does this also mean that they weren't granted heaven? They were given a private condo or something?

You have no right to say things about Allah which you have no knowledge of, Ayeman, and try to pass them off as fact. It is possible that Jinn are living things, even if they were "made from fire". The "made from fire" is an allegory to say "made from energy", as opposed to the human which was made from "organic components" (i.e. clay). Still, energy can be directly derived from water.

Even furthermore I am not sure if you have every read the theories of Einstein, but Energy is equal to Mass times Constant (speed of light) to the 2nd power.

E= MC^2

Do you know what an atom is made of?? An electron spinning around a tiny proton. An atom is nothing founded in reality. Matter is an illusion. It is simply the ENERGY STATE of an atom. When you step down the energy state, you see energy released.

Every molecule, every atom in the universe, is nothing but stabilized energy frequencies (vibrations).

Water is nothing but energy. Any molecule is nothing but energy. Hydrogen is the most simple form of energy.... Therefor, if Jinn are nothing but energy, it can be described that Jinn are also made from water (which is nothing but energy).

wow...

[OPF]

Jinn are of their own type.

Chapter 55 is very clear to be honest. If 55:14 is clear and literal then 55:15 must also be clear and literal.

Every molecule, every atom in the universe, is nothing but stabilized energy frequencies (vibrations).

This is correct but it cannot be taken out of context.

[Jack]

Chapter 55 is very clear to be honest. If 55:14 is clear and literal then 55:15 must also be clear and literal.

I don't think it's that black and white. Fire/nar is rarely literal in my readings. 4:10 is an excellent reference for nar as well as 9:34-35.

I'd like to hear thoughts on 7:12. Why is being created from fire better than being made from clay?

[Wakas]

peace Jack, all,

Well, it could be answered in several ways. Some suggestions: fire could be considered more aesthetically pleasing than mud, mud is earthly whilst fire is not necessarily so, fire could be seen as more powerful than mud, fire is less restricted than mud, fire is bright mud is dull/dark, fire can give off light whilst mud does not.

Whilst I do not necessarily think the above differences are significant, but what I do think is significant is that they are different. And it is this difference that leads to thinking oneself as greater/superior (or knows better) thus not complying to a higher command, and then being classed as one of the kafireen/concealers/deniers/ungrateful/rejecters [2:34].

Sound familiar?

[Jack]

Peace Wakas,

Thank you for that explanation. Makes sense.

[freshmad]

@ayman, allah said every living thing is made of water. which means jinns are made of water but their original substance is smokeless fire. as such us humans our original substance is mud/ clay/earth but we are still composed of mostly water. so to my understanding they also have water composed in their creation.

[freshmad]

Ayman, you are as much misguided as you are ignorant.


You say that its impossible that Jinn are living things because Allah said they are made from fire, but Allah also said that every living thing is made from water. Have you ever taken a chemistry class to learn what water is actually made from? Hint: H2O

That means, 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom per every molecule. These are the 2 of the 3 components required for a fire.

1. Fuel -- Hydrogen
2. Oxidizer -- Oxygen
3. Ignition source.

Hydrogen by itself cannot burn. Oxygen by itself cannot burn. But when you mix them, all you need is an ignition source. Don't believe that water can actually burn?? All you need to do is "shatter" the molecule with the correct frequency. Watch this youtube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Haj4BX0trU

Or this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOGAkRkCWfA



You then twist verse 72:16 in a perverted manner to assume that because it says that the Jinns would be granted lots of water, that that somehow means the righteous Jinn can never be granted heaven. Have you failed to read the countless parts in the Quran where it refers to heaven as having bountiful supplies of water? Higher heaven has endless drinks, and lower heaven is described as having an endless well of water which only needs to be pumped by hand.

Look at the description of heaven which it says Jesus and Mary were granted.

23:50 And We made the son of Mary and his mother as a Sign: We gave them both shelter on high ground, affording rest and security and furnished with springs.

Does this also mean that they weren't granted heaven? They were given a private condo or something?

You have no right to say things about Allah which you have no knowledge of, Ayeman, and try to pass them off as fact. It is possible that Jinn are living things, even if they were "made from fire". The "made from fire" is an allegory to say "made from energy", as opposed to the human which was made from "organic components" (i.e. clay). Still, energy can be directly derived from water.

Even furthermore I am not sure if you have every read the theories of Einstein, but Energy is equal to Mass times Constant (speed of light) to the 2nd power.

E= MC^2

Do you know what an atom is made of?? An electron spinning around a tiny proton. An atom is nothing founded in reality. Matter is an illusion. It is simply the ENERGY STATE of an atom. When you step down the energy state, you see energy released.

Every molecule, every atom in the universe, is nothing but stabilized energy frequencies (vibrations).

Water is nothing but energy. Any molecule is nothing but energy. Hydrogen is the most simple form of energy.... Therefor, if Jinn are nothing but energy, it can be described that Jinn are also made from water (which is nothing but energy).

well said mate.