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Spoils of War/Booty

Started by loli, April 08, 2006, 11:58:34 PM

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loli

Salamun Aalaikum  Free minders

Regarding Spoils of war, I found an intresting verse that i might need help understanding it.

8:41 Know that, whatever booty you take, the fifth of it is God's, and the Messenger's, and the near kinsman's, and the orphans', and for the needy, and the traveller, if you believe in God and that We sent down upon Our servant on the day of salvation,. the day the two hosts encountered; and God is powerful over everything;

It is understood from the verse that 1/5 from the Spoils that we receive is God's , the Messenger's, near relatives's, Orphans's, for the needy and for the travellers,

So how do we give the spoils to to The God and the Messenger?
23:97-98. And Say: ?My Lord, I seek refuge with you from the whispers of the devils.??And I seek refuge with you O Lord that they should come near.?

CavemanDoctor

Peace loli.

My quick understanding (without having researched the verses in-depth).

The Qur'an, in its entirety, does espouse itself as a manual on how to not only create a balanced individual life but also a balanced society. With that context in mind, it becomes clear that this verse is about society. The verse refers to kinsmen, orphans, travellers, the needy, as well as God and the Messenger.

Why is that important? One could ask, like you have done, how one gives physical possessions/money to God. We can take this even further and ask how we can give physical possession/money to the Messenger, who is dead. Using common sense (the Qur'an urges us to use our intellect), a very reasonable interpretation is that we are to give this "booty" to what God and the Messenger stand for, i.e. the cause of God. What is the cause of God? Simple. It is what I mentioned in the first paragraph: it is a just society that is balanced and that serves its members like a well-oiled machine.

We see the phrase "God and the Messenger" uttered many times throughout the Qur'an, especially in regard to following God and the Messenger,  and the question can also be asked in reference to those verses: how do I follow the Messenger, who is no longer alive. It is simple. You follow God and the Messenger by following the Message with us today. In connection with this verse, what does the Message tell us? It tells us to help the needy, the traveller, etc. Basically, it tells us how to become a better society. By trying to accomplish those ideals, we are in fact obeying God and the Messenger. We are in fact giving the "booty" to the God and the Messenger, in a very real way.

Peace.
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Quote from: "loli"So how do we give the spoils to to The God and the Messenger?

by spending to promote the Koran ,in my opinion,  since Koran represents both God and the messenger  .

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loli

CavemanDoc, dabaari, Salaam,

Thanx for your opinions, really appriciate it. Done some googling, Only found some websites which explains using hadith..

Anyway. Thanx..Other opinions is appriciated
23:97-98. And Say: ?My Lord, I seek refuge with you from the whispers of the devils.??And I seek refuge with you O Lord that they should come near.?

agentxxx

peace loli,

QuoteSo how do we give the spoils to to The God and the Messenger?
I think the concept of  ?spoils of war? and its distribution has become obsolete with the passage of time, therefore it cannot be practiced in the present time.

However to give to those who are orphans, widows, destitute, needy etc is symbolically like giving to Allah.

57:11-Who is he that will loan to Allah a beautiful Loan? For (Allah) will increase it manifold to his credit and he will have (besides) a liberal reward

peace.
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Meteora

BIG QUESTION if no one minds....

1. So...can war booty be wives of the dead enemies? Do you have to/can you enslave wives of the your dead enemies so that they can be your house slaves? Anything in the Quran prohibiting/permitting the enslaving of wives of your enemies? Or is the Quran silent on this issue.

If the answer is yes, then a bunch of other questions will follow. Please answer this because hadith gives me a huge misconception and evil thought about this.
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anthonywallace


   The spoils that goes to the messenger goes to me. And that is how you give to His messenger.  :jedi:   :sun:





I am no different from the other messengers, nor do I know what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is inspired to me. I am no more than a clear warner.

Meteora

That is the best answer I've been given yet.

Seriously, someone tell the truth about this.
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Quote from: Edip Yuksel on December 23, 2007, 04:20:01 PM

anthonywallace


  What I said Meteora, was the truth. Im fo real...
I am no different from the other messengers, nor do I know what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is inspired to me. I am no more than a clear warner.

Meteora

Ugh...

Someone tell me the Quranic ruling of getting woman as booty of war. "Right hands possess" is referring to SLAVES, but CAN THEY BE WAR BOOTY OR NO? That is the question.

"Whatever the prophet prohibits for you (about spoils of war - this is not saying go read books of bs called hadith), abstain from it." So, WHAT does the prophet forbid when it comes to spoils of war? The only logical assumption is the wives of the people you've killed, of course unless they want to go with you. Why would you force women, who pretty much hate you for killing their husbands, into slavery and even worse, into becoming your sex slaves?!
Quote from: Anonymous (Free Minds)Ignorance is of course the most prized possession of any cult.
Quote from: Anonymous (Submission)Quran alone is too much for those who had too many years of corrupted Islam.
Quote from: Edip Yuksel on December 23, 2007, 04:20:01 PM