Dying in a state of kufr and shirk

[SarahY]

Jafar

Yes everything is in God?s plan. I don?t perceive God as angry for lack of recognition. But it?s more about human consequence.

We can judge others, doesn?t necessarily mean much. However what are your thoughts today with the abundance and ease of information access. Do you judge them? You seem happy to associate with all kinds of groups, maybe it?s just to placate others I don?t know. What thoughts do you have of them? Other than it?s God?s plan.

Makaveli

Sometimes we all have to deal with our own cognitive dissonance but I believe someone seeking truth tries to self regulate.

The Quran alone rejects the meaning of "disbelievers" for kafiirun because many of them are influenced by the "Quran Miracle" theory, so to claim one has to blindly believe is thus erreneous for them.  How could God ask others to blindly believe and punish them fail they do so? So they make up the out-of-the-blue meaning for this word, saying someone "rejects" in case provided with "truth".

Lots of things are blind faith, discovering, uncovering and learning however I don?t see complete fault in this understanding. It all comes down to quranic terms and understanding.  There?s s an example in the quran about belief, but rather they are told to identify as submitters as belief hasn?t reached their hearts. ? (49:14)

It makes sense for one to accept something without knowing or understanding whole heartedly. And through discovery and learning they then believe or could go the other way and reject it.

As for kufr how can one truly reject something without knowing, or understanding?  So people may generally make a misguided judgement and label others as kafireen but it doesn?t necessarily mean they are.

People who believe in God want to be doing right, want to be rewarded, may even fear punishment. Isn?t it natural for people to want to know the meanings of such terms, particularly if they take the Quran as guidance. Besides these concepts started long long ago when the khawaraj decided to label others. Most people like to judge others by their understanding which is why i tend to keep my views to myself particularly with family as some people are not ready to listen, or think but only ready to criticise and impose.

There is a practical element to the spiritual guidance and for that reason some things will always involve society. No matter how personal our journeys are.

Now, when you say "salem allaykum", do you mean "be a slave"? What do all (majority of?) other non-Semitic languages have for greeting?

No and i?m not sure. I say it because it is a social aspect of greeting other Muslims in faith and as far as i know it doesn?t mean ?be a slave?.

[Makaveli]

There is a practical element to the spiritual guidance and for that reason some things will always involve society. No matter how personal our journeys are.

Society is basically Iblis (literally), it is the shadow of God's representation of human relationships among themselves, for man can only percieve shadow, he is not yet ready to percieve God's light, it will make him blind. Therefore your personal self has to develop thinking patterns, which would teach you to be merciful, compassionate and intuitive as a lunar feminine essence, yet also logical and knowledgeable as a masculine solar essence. This way you develop faith, which is your moral sense of right and wrong, a guide to your behaviour. But such is only possible with contemplation on the personal level, society distracts you and confounds. You have to take a break from social interactions from time to time in order to learn the patterns society follows, so as to learn to execute mercy and compassion towards people's miserable life full of pain, sorrow and confinement. But at first you have to be an observer and contemplate on what is going on around your life and around the lives of your fellow people. Unless of course you are a jinn/psycopath (a person who lacks natural sense of compassion towards other's suffering), which is also an option for many people. I don't think you are, but for them it's all over. Do not try to persuade a psychopath.

No and i’m not sure. I say it because it is a social aspect of greeting other Muslims in faith and as far as i know it doesn’t mean “be a slave”.

If that does not mean 'be a slave' then how can it mean 'be submissive' (Eslam)? Why just Muslims? Jews greet the same way. Estonians greet the same way. Russians greet the same way. Every nation as far as I know greet the same way. 

[Jafar]

Jafar

Yes everything is in God?s plan. I don?t perceive God as angry for lack of recognition. But it?s more about human consequence.

Some human perceived God as if It is a human, thus it became 'angry' when a frightening event happened to them. (ie volcanic eruption, earthquake, thunderstorm etc..) and need to be pacified by 'offerings'. Such tradition exists in nearly every part of the world.

We can judge others, doesn?t necessarily mean much.

It means when you start judging others with certain standards, be ready to be judged by such standards as well.
Because definitely you will, it's a correlative relationship.

However what are your thoughts today with the abundance and ease of information access. Do you judge them?

It's a blessing.. and no I don't judge...

You seem happy to associate with all kinds of groups, maybe it?s just to placate others I don?t know. What thoughts do you have of them? Other than it?s God?s plan.

Short answer: Love

If somebody said I'm a member of all Football Club's fans club, why do you think he is as such?
Does he really did that to placate others? or is it because he loves football? thus he appreciate all stakeholders of the game?

And why you then didn't find it weird on somebody who is a fan of only ONE football club?