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Makaveli

Quote from: good logic on August 25, 2018, 05:31:42 AM
Peace Makaveli.
Are these views of yours your own ideas? your conclusion from a study? or just following another source like all those who follow a certain source?

There is no such thing as one's own ideas. As a believer in a one true God you should understand it. Avoiding information simply because it does not suit your castrated worldview (which by the way is not an ounce yours, but was inflicted upon you) is NOT a level of 'free will', which many believers like to parrot about, despite being limited in will or even straight deprived of it. It is a level of slavery. There is no such thing as "bad" or "negative" knowledge. My conclusion from a study. What would change happen I write a more sophisticated post?

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good logic

Peace Makaveli.
What have I avoided if I am asking you for the source/s of your views? Then we can check its sophistication for ourselves.
Or may be you do not want to share?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Makaveli

Sources of my views? Like sources that there is no person called Muhammad in the Quran? Or a source that Quran does not claim to be written in the language we now know as 'A-rabic'? Or that Ahmad is in fact the very same παράκλητος ? Or Ya Seen and other letters is a formula? Or a bunch of other high quality quranic knowledge I possess? No, because the question of yours was dualistic because you wanted a confirmation of my view (1) and a specific source (2). And in both instances it was erroneously formulated. There is no specific source as this is not based on any single source except my own persistence and research, which itself includes as the quranic research, so as the various sources of various traditions and historical background. Secondly, it is a wrong proposal from you because that is not a view per definition. A view is something you form within your cultural perception (i.w. worldview) to sustain a perspective on world description and mechanism. Something you acquire within the research is involuntary as I never wanted to acquire those conclusions in the first place nor was it my hypothesis I tested before getting to know. Because proposing hypotheses usually in fact leads to wishful (preconceived) conclusions hence early proposal of a hypothesis is in my opinion an unreliable research mechanism, which may often create biased results. Reveal you what? And why? What exactly will change?

You keep saying peace as it somehow means tranquility and a lack of bad intentions, yet I only see death because death is associated with stagnation. If anything you could test everything I said first hand and enhance your experience, especially since you are from a Christian background, which at least means you may start comparing the traditions. In the world nothing is stagnant and everything moves, even molecular reactions in the dead bodies and bones are not stagnant. Thus adhering to a single "book-fetishism" tradition you are into is death alike. Aren't you yourself a confirmation of most theses I proposed? A dweller who a) has no answers nor knowledge; b) lacks a grain of understanding in the book he believes to follow; c) who automatically parrots dogmas in case he can't explain something, like the God is merciful, as if it means anything in the context of our reality. And you ask me for evidence while you are incapable of looking outside of your own world? Again, formulate your question in a suitable manner and tell me, what exactly will change.
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good logic

I see.
You have researched, studied and have grasped "your truth" which confirms for you my "falsehood"?
Well ,I will have to remain ignorant to "your truth/s" since I have no choice because you will not share it .

I guess that is now our parting of ways unless of course you let me have your source/s to check for myself.
Thank you anyway.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Makaveli

Quote from: good logic on August 26, 2018, 07:55:45 AM
I see.
You have researched, studied and have grasped "your truth" which confirms for you my "falsehood"?
Well ,I will have to remain ignorant to "your truth/s" since I have no choice because you will not share it .

That's fascinating how you interpreted my words and summarized everything I had to say in an simplified yet unfounded manner.
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good logic

Peace Makaveli.
Let me put it this way:
My source is Qoran as we have it now( original Arabic text as far as I can deduce). What is/are your source/s from ?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Makaveli

Quote from: good logic on August 26, 2018, 08:21:53 AM
original Arabic text as far as I can deduce)

What is Arabic? When did this language originate? From which linguistic branch does it stem? Explain me its origin of language from at least second century BCE with all relevant ancient sources where term "Ayn-rabiyun" was used to indicate the nation AND the language.

What is original? Innate text, unaltered up to every letter? Mathematically preserved? Or something else? How do you explain original?

Explain me the grammar behind العالمون in a single case as opposite to العالمين in all other cases? Besides, what is double al- particle doing with letters Ayn (Eye) and Em (Ema) here?

You claim its mathematically preserved? So? What does it give us be it so, in case you fail to understand the meaning? What is the meaning of number twelve (12), nineteen (19), sixty-six (66), forty-five (45) and seven (7)? These are very important numbers in the Quran. What do they mean? Unless you know its meaning, what purpose does your "mathematical miracle" serve outside of mindless numerology?

Nothing.

Niche.

It's worthless.

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good logic

Peace Makaveli.
I understand. You have worked it out. I have not.
May be I will ?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Makaveli

I haven't figured all of it as of yet, I never said I did. But my current knowledge surpasses commonly accepted superstitions, that's for sure. And I was alone throughout this journey, which confirms my stance on organized research and organized anything. And my studies and overall spiritual journey was fruitful. So unless you can explain me the basics as per my previous post, which I guess you can't, what is your overall knowledge of the Quran or any other spiritual book for that matter worth? And these were the basics, a tip of an eisberg, so to speak. But perhaps not a principle (foundation).

So I invite others to this journey and find out for themselves. As long as your worldview is confined by commonly accepted superstitions and limited discoveries you will not understand anything outside of ideas you previously accepted. There is no single authority which has a right to impose meanings, that's what I was/am trying to say. I only invite to look beyond found discoveries and look further. And I strongly advise to take a heed of a following apocryphal saying "Truth did not come into the world naked, but it came in types and images. The world will not receive truth in any other way".

And there is no such thing as hearsay, everything has a purpose. As such, if you do not understand the meaning behind kaaba circulation or the kaaba itself, which can only be acquired outside of the traditional understanding of the Quran, then that's the very evidence of ya'll being limited in thoughts and worldview. In fact, Quran alone is a very limited type of thinking to the point that to me it is sad and funny simultaneously.

There is also an incomplete New Age-inspired translation of the Qur'an available, written by a person with Messiah-complex, who also has a strange understanding of word "logic" and claims to exercise it to the highest extent, which itself is non-sense as it is easy to refute hundreds of his claims and see how limited he truely is, but nonetheless I recommend others to find and study his work, and see how biased and narrow it is. That being said, and it is a hint, the Qur'an does not require a "translation" as per common view, as its major words require separate chapters to explain and these will only and always be explained from the position of a psyche of the author of the translation. The psyche is a filter through which one understands the subjective and objective world around him. 
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good logic

Thank you for the advice brother.
I believe there is a single most powerful and only authority(the Creator) that has defined everything  and has  the right to explain the meanings. But I agree with you this authority does not impose them on anyone.
I, in turn, invite to this single authority ,the source of the ultimate and true knowledge
If I am deluded it is due to my own fault for my limited thoughts and  arrogance and if I am guided it is due to this authority.
Thank you for the conversation. 
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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