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women have deficient intelligence ????????/

Started by samina, January 22, 2006, 04:40:42 AM

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Aynur, if ever someone attacks you with that hadith (like saying you shouldn't say anything about Islam since you're a woman etc), then tell them that the Quran only has one case of reversion in it. The revert was not only a woman but a queen who ruled over men! Contrastingly, the male ruler in the Quran is Firaun, the archetypal enemy of Islam! That should shut their yaps!
Farouk A. Peru

Recluse

Quote from: aynur on October 07, 2009, 03:56:40 AM
It bothers you, and you're a guy right?  It bothers me probably more since I'm a woman.   :P
I've looked at all explanations for this, from the Sunni perspective and none of them are good.  Women have an element of caring in them as mothers, that I don't think men have - not in the same extent. 
Sure, there *are* evil women.  But there are also evil guys! 
The nicest explanation that I saw was the numbers one.  Saying that there are just more women so that's why it says more women are in hell.  BUT, the hadith specifically says more women are in hell because they're ungrateful to their husbands.  So why would they go to hell for being ungrateful .... if it said "ungrateful to Allah" that's another thing.  But it doesn't.

Dear Aynur,

I don't want to come across as a proud and arrogant person, but I'm a righteous and humble and honest human being. I wish more people were like me. This didn't sound very humble, did it ;D

Anyhow, I agree with you; the hadith doesn't make sense. Is being ungrateful to your husband worse than starting wars, committing massacres, or torturing people etc. (as men are inclined to do). What about men raping women, domestic violence, corruption and so on... I really don't think women are more evil than men, that's a very illogical thing to say.

Recluse

I do hate feminism by the way. Especially American women! I don't mean it in a racist way, but I've heard that American women are terrible :laugh: Divorce law greatly favors women over men in the US. They can cheat on their husbands, and when the husband asks for a divorce, she gets his money as a reward :D

khadidjatu

Quote from: Recluse on October 07, 2009, 06:37:49 AM
I do hate feminism by the way. Especially American women! I don't mean it in a racist way, but I've heard that American women are terrible :laugh: Divorce law greatly favors women over men in the US. They can cheat on their husbands, and when the husband asks for a divorce, she gets his money as a reward :D
Salaam

Excuse me Recluse,but this is a myth.Dont you know that the poorest people on this earth is woman and children?And a divorce,is not giving woman a better economy,rather the opposite.

http://www.divorcereform.org/econ.html   

You say you hate feminism.Do you really hear,what you are saying?Why should you hate feminism?
Like a compass needle,points north,a mans accusing finger,always finds a woman,always.

Recluse

Quote from: khadidjatu on October 07, 2009, 07:53:12 AM
Salaam

Excuse me Recluse,but this is a myth.Dont you know that the poorest people on this earth is woman and children?And a divorce,is not giving woman a better economy,rather the opposite.

http://www.divorcereform.org/econ.html   

You say you hate feminism.Do you really hear,what you are saying?Why should you hate feminism?

Salam,

Feminism has destroyed family values in the West. As a Muslim, you can't expect me to praise western "values".  Perhaps we should make a separate topic to discuss this.

Peace

Elke

Quote from: Recluse on October 07, 2009, 08:29:26 AM
Salam,

Feminism has destroyed family values in the West. As a Muslim, you can't expect me to praise western "values".  Perhaps we should make a separate topic to discuss this.

Peace

salam recluse
you seems to oppose feminism to family values and then western values to muslim values
i don't see the point in both and sincerely believe that you are mixing thing up
i'm a western muslim (is that even possible in your worldview ?) and  believe that quran was, at the time of its revelation, a feminist book as it gave women rights they never had before
just food for thought  ;)
lk
"Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery ; none but ourselves can free our minds"
(Bob Marley, Redemption Song)

aynur

Quote from: Recluse on October 07, 2009, 06:37:49 AM
I do hate feminism by the way. Especially American women! I don't mean it in a racist way, but I've heard that American women are terrible :laugh: Divorce law greatly favors women over men in the US. They can cheat on their husbands, and when the husband asks for a divorce, she gets his money as a reward :D

Peace.
By saying you hate American women, you are by association saying you hate me - since I'm American.  :(
I don't think you can generalize a country with a population of more than 300 million.  That would be like me generalizing about Turks, saying all men are control freaks or something of that nature.
While some are terrible, you can't apply it to everyone.
Sure, divorce laws may favor the moms (but, it really depends on what state you're in here).  But, from what I heard in Turkey it favors the dads.  I personally think the moms should be the ones raising the kids, unless the moms are unfit.  Actually, I think it should be a joint effort even after divorce.  That is why there are many with joint custody or where the father has the kids every weekend when he's not working ... or something like that. 

MUNZIR ALI

Quote from: aynur on October 07, 2009, 02:27:01 PM
Peace.
By saying you hate American women, you are by association saying you hate me - since I'm American.  :(
I don't think you can generalize a country with a population of more than 300 million.  That would be like me generalizing about Turks, saying all men are control freaks or something of that nature.
While some are terrible, you can't apply it to everyone.
Sure, divorce laws may favor the moms (but, it really depends on what state you're in here).  But, from what I heard in Turkey it favors the dads.  I personally think the moms should be the ones raising the kids, unless the moms are unfit.  Actually, I think it should be a joint effort even after divorce.  That is why there are many with joint custody or where the father has the kids every weekend when he's not working ... or something like that. 
I think dads should raise their kids since my dad is raising me.

aynur

Quote from: MUNZIR ALI on October 07, 2009, 02:31:39 PM
I think dads should raise their kids since my dad is raising me.

The reason I'm biased towards women is I am one.  :D
But I think it depends on the situation.  Some moms are not good moms. 

MUNZIR ALI

Quote from: aynur on October 07, 2009, 02:34:37 PM
The reason I'm biased towards women is I am one.  :D
But I think it depends on the situation.  Some moms are not good moms. 
yes its true.  :(  :'(   :)