DRINKING ALCOHOL IS ALLOWED IN ISLAM

[jonny_k]

Peace "anthonywallace",
[5:90]  O you who believe, intoxicantion, and gambling, and the altars of idols, and the games of chance are abominations of the devil; you shall refrain from them, that you may succeed.
[5:91]  The devil wants to provoke animosity and hatred among you through intoxicantion and gambling, and to distract you from remembering GOD, and from observing the Salat. Will you then stop?

Just because GOD didnt use the word "haraam" doesnt mean it's not forbidden. Like in the case of Lot, people approaching men instead of women, GOD didnt say that this is haraam but the way in which He called it we can clearly understand that it is wrong and forbidden. If GOD asks us to refrain or to stop something then it technically means that that something is forbidden to us. So we may use alcolhol for medical purposes but never for fun and enjoyment as is the case will all other subatnces which can cause intoxication. GOD Bless!

[huruf]

When we start speaking about whether something like alcohol is forbidden or not in the Quran we start anew behaving like people who do not want to grow up. OK, the Quran doesn't say textually that alcohol is haram, therefore we can drink it?

In fact the Quran doesn't go about like that, because God in it decided to treat us like adults. When we ask for something to be forbidden or allowed we are asking for somebody to take for us the responsibility of taking our own decisions. The Quran doesn't do that. It doesn't pander to infantilisim. It in fact debates with us de pros and cons of this and that so that WE take responsibility and commun with our own decisions, not that answer like somebody who does only as told and not as he or she has reflected and decided.

OK, no, may be alcohol is not forbidden, but we are responsible of what we do with it, and we better be ready to answer for that.

Salaam

[MUNZIR ALI]

ALCOHOL IS ALLOWED IN THE QURAN PLEASE LOOK INSIDE IT AND NOT PUT IT ON YOUR SHELVES AS DECORATION.

It is forbidden!

[SwedenMajidah]

It is forbidden!

forbidden? how and for what reasons, show me your proofs....

Maria

[Munzir]

Peace all,

Brother Anthony Wallace's comment is very objective on this subject with clear proofs, bravo bother.

It's a grace we have a living messenger in this forum. 

Godbless!

[Rami]

It is forbidden!

I like the straightforward verdict.

[almarh0m]

Salamun alaykum

Peace,

And especialy for Noble, again, the proof that avoiding is also used as a forbiddance in the Quran:

2:219. They ask you about intoxicants and gambling. Say: ?In them is great harm, and a benefit for the people; but their harm is greater than their benefit.? And they ask you how much are they to give, Say: ?The excess.? It is thus that God clarifies for you the revelations that you may think.

5:90. O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and altars, and arrows of chance are tools of affliction used by the one that is distanced from God(shaytain=shaat=long rope). You shall AVOID it so that you may be successful.

The magic words are: You shall AVOID it

Let's look for them:

4:31 If you avoid the major sins that you are forbidden against, then We will cancel your existing sins and admit you to a generous entrance.

9:115 And it is not for God to misguide a people after He guided them, until He makes clear to them what they should avoid. God is aware of all things.

22:30 Thus, and whosoever honours God's restrictions, then it is better for him with His Lord. And the livestock is made lawful for you except what is recited upon you. So avoid the foulness of idols and avoid saying false statements.

39:17 And for those who avoid serving evil, and turn to God in repentance, for them are glad tidings. So give the good news to My servants.

So is a little serving evil allowed in your view? A little idol-worship? A little bit of false statements?

53:32 They avoid major sins and lewdness, except for minor offences. Your Lord is with vast forgiveness. He has been fully aware of you since He initiated you from the Earth, and while you were embryos in your mothers' wombs. Therefore, do not acclaim yourselves; He is fully aware of the righteous.

So a little major sins is allowed?

2:222 They ask you about menstruation: say, "It is harmful; you shall avoid sexual intercourse with the women during menstruation; do not approach them until they are rid of it. Once they are rid of it, you may have intercourse with them in the manner designed by GOD. GOD loves the repenters, and He loves those who are clean."

Is also a little sex allowed during menstruation? And the 'you shall avoid it' is clearly explained in the sentence after it, 'do not approach them until..', so 'avoid' is equal to 'do not do it all'.

6:68 If you see those who mock our revelations, you shall avoid them until they delve into another subject. If the devil causes you to forget, then, as soon as you remember, do not sit with such evil people.

So we can sit a little bit with them or must we completly distance ourselves from then till they change the subject?

16:36 We have sent a messenger to every community, saying, "You shall worship GOD, and avoid idolatry." Subsequently, some were guided by GOD, while others were committed to straying. Roam the earth and note the consequences for the rejectors.

22:30 Those who reverence the rites decreed by GOD have deserved a good reward at their Lord. All livestock is made lawful for your food, except for those specifically prohibited for you. You shall avoid the abomination of idol worship, and avoid bearing false witness.

So a little idolatry is allowed?

23:3 And they avoid vain talk.

And a little vain talk is allowed?

49:12 O you who believe, you shall avoid any suspicion, for even a little bit of suspicion is sinful. You shall not spy on one another, nor shall you backbite one another; this is as abominable as eating the flesh of your dead brother. You certainly abhor this. You shall observe GOD. GOD is Redeemer, Most Merciful.

Here we must avoid, and the sentence behind it is intruiging, as even a little bit is harmful.

My point is that to say the word haram is not the only one used to restrict/forbid things, is not correct when the Quran is investigated. Also in the Hereafter we get drinks that don't intoxicate, if a little bit was allowed, why then make them non-intoxicate?

56:18 With cups and jugs and a cup/wine flowing easily and plentifully.
19 They do not get headache from it, and nor they be drunk/exhausted/intoxicated .

As for the sentence that says we make intoxicants from the fruits:

16:67 And from the palm trees' and the grapes' fruits you take from it intoxication , and a good/beautiful provision , that in that (is) an evidence/sign (E) to a nation reasoning/understanding .

Does this immediatly imply intoxicants are allowed for pleasure? Also in older times, alcohol was used in medical uses and chemical uses. As 2:219 clearly implies, there is more harm then use in them, which is acknowledged in the medical world, where narcotics are used for narcoses and anaesthetics, and is harmfull for the body even in small amounts.

"When man doesn't change his life to fit his faith, he will change his faith to fit his life."

Don't wait for the magic word haram Noble, as God has more ways to say things.

Do you think the god means "forbidden" or 'prohibited' when He says "avoid" ?

Peace

almarh0m

[Q_student]

Salamun alaykum


Do you think the god means "forbidden" or 'prohibited' when He says "avoid" ?

Peace

almarh0m

Peace Brother
Do you think God allows "satanic acts" ?
Regards

[TheNabi]

Peace

Do you think God allows "satanic acts" ?

What do you mean by allow? Don't they [Satanic acts] occur? And when they occur is this against God's will? Can there be an "against God's will"?

Joe

[Q_student]

Peace

What do you mean by allow? Don't they [Satanic acts] occur? And when they occur is this against God's will? Can there be an "against God's will"?

Joe

Peace brother
Drinking is divine act or satanic act ?
Regards