palmistry and astrology

[Marlboro]

what is the reality behind these two subjects, what does Qoran says about it ?

[enquirer]

Peace marlboro. I believe these things can work.(negativley or positivley)
Dreams seem to be a communication with another soul(or reality). In 'wicca'( a system which can translate as  'male witch') there is a view that magik(with a 'k' to distinguish it from harmful magic) is simply a 'willed' consenting connection between two(or maybe more) souls(wills) which seeks a benefit of some kind.(ie knowing if a dead relative is ok,trying to think how a person who you have no access too is etc..)This is also called 'white magic'. The harmful magic is when it is used to achieve something harmful or when the parties are not consenting to a connection.
I think people use it when they try to think of the consequences of an action,or reflect on a past event,or consult with a 'learned' person with a view to benefit.(or harm)
The prophet muhammed obviously was in 'connection' with 'gabriel' and good people,so produced benefit in the form of a book(quran) and his good behaviour.
Bad connections can occur when a 'devil'(one who knowingly wants to do bad) tries to encourage you to do wrong,however you do not have to consent and thus can resist the connection. Peace.

[amanda]

Peace marlboro. I believe these things can work.(negativley or positivley)
Dreams seem to be a communication with another soul(or reality). In 'wicca'( a system which can translate as  'male witch') there is a view that magik(with a 'k' to distinguish it from harmful magic) is simply a 'willed' consenting connection between two(or maybe more) souls(wills) which seeks a benefit of some kind.(ie knowing if a dead relative is ok,trying to think how a person who you have no access too is etc..)This is also called 'white magic'. The harmful magic is when it is used to achieve something harmful or when the parties are not consenting to a connection.
I think people use it when they try to think of the consequences of an action,or reflect on a past event,or consult with a 'learned' person with a view to benefit.(or harm)
The prophet muhammed obviously was in 'connection' with 'gabriel' and good people,so produced benefit in the form of a book(quran) and his good behaviour.
Bad connections can occur when a 'devil'(one who knowingly wants to do bad) tries to encourage you to do wrong,however you do not have to consent and thus can resist the connection. Peace.

salam alykum wr wb


does it really matter if we seek help from jinns or angels for ehlp for good or bad? shouldnt it matter that we are seeking help from something other than god his creation?

amanda

[Arnold Yasin]

Peace,

Only God has knowledge of the unseen. When you look at surah 72 for example, you can see it refers to astrology, and that it didn't work. There are a lot more verses that God says Jibt is baseless. Jibt=fortunetelling, astrology, tarot, palmreading, sorcery.

[Elke]

Peace all,

i wouldn't say it's baseless, even though some time ago i had the same opinion.

For sure 90 % of the "seers" on the market are charlatans and money makers - and also or sure, even these that do a decent job - that have a real "god given gift" can go wrong.

But i speak of experience - i had visions myself, as well as my daughter - but this is not significant as it is very rare - but each time it was a concrete scene that was going to happen later  - with no way of expecting it...

A very close friend of mine has them all the time and in at least 80% of cases she is right - things happen exactly as she saw them. And i sometime wonder if these vision can be called inspiration ?

Elke

[Arnold Yasin]

Peace,

I don;t denounce dreams and visions, those for me are also real. These don't fall under Jibt in my eyes. But astrology and pamlreading do. Also a lot of those people who do get things right, read the Quantum field and not your palm, the thing is, they don't know that it is the Quantum field they're sensing.

[Elke]

Peace arnold

in some cases the palm, cards or whatever a just a support - at least that's what my friend does. She can tell you many things about yourself just sitting in front of you - but as it scares peoples, shes uses cards. No problem for the quantum field as for as the past is seen- but what about future - how come it's already there ? That's where i wonder about inspiration....but may be i should reread your article on that subject 

Astrology is again something else...

elke

[Arnold Yasin]

Peace,

That is why the cards and palmreading are fake. I understand they use it as a hide. But i believe it is time they come out as they have true God-given senses. They are more sensetive to the field, which we can learn a lot from. As for the future events not recorded, that is true. I believe myself that they can see several things that are happening around you, and then see what it causes in the future. Like she would read in the field that her car has a broken bolt somewhere, then her brain processes that into a carcrash in the future, so they can read causes and their brain gives the possible effects. But a lot of times only the possible result comes through and not the cause of that result. Maybe this has to do that their conciousness is blocked to directly recieve the information from the field, and that the information is only recieved in the sub-conciousness.

[idolfree1]

Peace be upon you,

Has anyone here had a professional astrology reading?

I know of someone.

[Elke]

Peace all

idol

Peace be upon you,

Has anyone here had a professional astrology reading?

I know of someone.

No for the question...and tell us about it for the rest !

arnold : About the future event not being in "the field" : sorry but her predictions are so detailed - she really sees scenes to come "en directe" - no way to calculate them even unconsciously from a+b will eventually give c....
This is why i wonder about inspiration in these cases !

elke