Rest in peace James Foley

[good logic]

Peace runninglikezebras.

I will join you in condemning this horrible act committed by the worst of the criminals. But we must use what Qoran is teaching us!!

Those who are committing these crimes have given themselves a name , a flag and a clear identity. They might follow "Hadith and sunna", but what we must not do is accuse all others who follow the same "hadith and sunna" elsewhere as guilty of the same crime?

We must  not generalise,as there may be some sincere good misled people who follow "hadith and sunna" but also condemn this barbaric act?

Also ,in some countries the ones who are political leaders  are also guilty of some atrocities/wars without justifications...oppression...
Asking them to help is like giving them another excuse to carry on with their oppressions?

As well as condemning this act and trying to help as much as we can , we must not fuel the situation against innocent "sunnis,Shiites..." who find themselves doctrine d  by their parents/scholars..They may be looking/or will look for a way out if we keep giving the good example by being fair and understanding!

Lord ,accept our prayer  to rescue  the oppressed.
GOD s justice will prevail.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[runninglikezebras]

Dont worry I'm not targeting people.  I'm targeting a doctrine.  But I will not refrain from using this example to anyone defending those doctrines. 

[Arman]

Dear Runninglike zebras:

I join you and Good Logic in condemning all the heinous acts by ISIS including the murder of James Foley.

Sectarian mindset is an universal problem ? sectarian mindset makes one believe his own sect is superior to others. Every sect in the world ? Sunni, Shia, Catholic, Protestants, Jews, Hindus, even in many cases Buddhists and Quranists / Submitters share such attitude. Even in this forum you will find people promoting ?free mind? and ?human values? ? but preaching blind hatred for specific sects like the Jews / Israeli civilian people. But it is really up to each individual to decide up to what degree he or she will take this ?sense of superiority?. Would he / she be willing to give away the conscience and human values to uphold his sectarian ideas? In other words would he overrule the rule of God (i.e. the conscience) to uphold rulings of those whom he assigns as partners to God? Thus no matter which sect one belongs ? choosing the path of God vs choosing the path of devil is always a personal choice. That?s why it is incorrect to blame all sunni people/ sunni doctrine for crimes committed by ISIS ? just like it is incorrect to blame all Christians/Christian doctrine for crimes committed by Hitler or to blame all Jews/ Judaic doctrine for crimes committed by Israeli rulers and military.

We cannot solve sectarian issues by targeting and fighting a specific sect. Rather we have to fight the evil within us and within our community that prompt us to kill our conscience in support of our sectarian beliefs.

May Allah guide us all to the straight route.

Best regards,

Arman

[runninglikezebras]

Dear Armanaziz,

That?s why it is incorrect to blame all sunni people/ sunni doctrine for crimes committed by ISIS ? just like it is incorrect to blame all Christians/Christian doctrine for crimes committed by Hitler or to blame all Jews/ Judaic doctrine for crimes committed by Israeli rulers and military.

I agree.  I don't blame them of being responsible for the crimes committed by ISIS - all I'm saying is they are supportive of a shared doctrine.   Some may not even be aware of the political objectives interwoven into the sunni doctrine.  Then it's time to wake them up and make them realize what a sunni caliphate looks like in reality.  I know a few sunni people myself but I find their position undefendable.  Many of them struggle with some of those aspects of sunnism but rather ignore it like it's not there.  Eg sharia law does not meet international standards for human rights.  It's an integral aspect of sunnism however.  Most of those who are sunni would find it very troublesome living in a society imposing sharia law.  If you don't like those aspects, you reject the doctrine.  If you don't you are supporting violations of human rights.  Any condemnation of someone who claims to adhere to the sunni doctrine is very questionable in that regard.  Either it's ignorance or hypocrisy.  There is no honesty in that position.  You can't at the same time accept a doctrine sending humanity back to medieval times and at the same time claim you are condemning violations of human rights.  I know in the west these political goals are often not mentioned to the community by the sunni clerics and scholars.  They hide behind a message of peace while having a double agenda of killing infidels, executing drug addicts, lynching homosexuals etc etc.

Furthermore I don't view sunnism as a religion.  Sunnism isn't even compatible with Quran without abrogating it.  I don't consider them anymore a religion than I consider zionism to be a religion.  They are for a large part doctrines with political/secular ambitions involving a lot more than just religion, as you know.   I respect all muslims, jews, christians even atheists.  What your belief is regarding God doesn't matter to me.  But when I get confronted with a political movement that is high-jacking and abusing religion to violate human rights, I will react.  I will not keep my mouth shut.  It involves me.  The islamophobia it fuels does not discriminate.  I'm no different from the tens of thousand orthodox jews in NYC that protest against the zionist crimes.  I'm not targeting religion nor sects at all.

I'm aware a large majority of the sunni's in the world are shocked by the acts of ISIS and the Caliphate.  But it's the sunni doctrine put to practice.  Just like Israel is zionism put to ultimate practice.  Like Iran is shia doctrine put to practice.  Common denominator: violation of human rights on epic scale.  Should I just continue to be witness of this evil that is brainwashing people and costing lives daily while keeping my mouth shut.  I'm afraid I can't.

Peace.

[Layth]

ISIS, like Alqadea before it, is more a Western creation than a Sunni one.

The US needs enemies to get public support for its military action - ISIS is the new reason to get back into Iraq and stop the liberation of the country at the hands of the ex-military, tribes, and baathists.

At the time of the Yazeedi media frenzy people were clamoring over each other for military action in Iraq 'to help the poor Yazeedies on mt Sinjar'. That US operations have expanded to attack areas liberated inside Ninveh and Tikrit does not seem to phase anyone - and, just in case support was getting soft, here is a Nick Berg style execution (including the same orange prison suit) showing the evil ISIS to ensure there will be no objection as the military operations expand further.

Lets pls always remember 49:6.

[good logic]

Peace Layth.

Exactly brother.

The same way we have to check your story,and anyone else s story...etc.

Now ,in my opinion two wrongs do not make one of them right.

The checking has become difficult for the majority because of false loyalties and bias.

The bottom line is, do not trust any system until you verify .

Except, of course, the work of some systems that is clearly showing them to be oppressive criminals.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

[amin]

lets Try to get closer to God, He is in the middle and no extremes,  to know the real truth.

[runninglikezebras]

ISIS, like Alqadea before it, is more a Western creation than a Sunni one.

The US needs enemies to get public support for its military action - ISIS is the new reason to get back into Iraq and stop the liberation of the country at the hands of the ex-military, tribes, and baathists.

At the time of the Yazeedi media frenzy people were clamoring over each other for military action in Iraq 'to help the poor Yazeedies on mt Sinjar'. That US operations have expanded to attack areas liberated inside Ninveh and Tikrit does not seem to phase anyone - and, just in case support was getting soft, here is a Nick Berg style execution (including the same orange prison suit) showing the evil ISIS to ensure there will be no objection as the military operations expand further.

Lets pls always remember 49:6.

It's kind of funny to see someone referring to 49:6 after presenting a conspiracy theory as factual.  The core elements of the political/religious system implemented by both Al Quada and ISIS is core sunni doctrine.  Regardless if you believe in conspiracy theories or not, you can't say sunni islam is a western invention.

[Habibullah]

The core elements of the political/religious system implemented by both Al Quada and ISIS is core sunni doctrine. 

No its not, its salafi doctrine / wahabism.

Regardless if you believe in conspiracy theories or not, you can't say sunni islam is a western invention.

You are right, he cant say sunni islam was created by the west, it was actually created by the persian imams of the zoroastrian religion. However, salafism which ISIS and al qaida was created by the west. Western countries are trying very hard to turn the  "Memoirs of Mr. Hempher, The British Spy to the Middle East" into a conspiracy theory.

[reel]

  Don't forget wahabbism, manufactured by the British.

Anyways, when media started going all crazy with Foley's execution I got suspicious. I watched that beheading video and then went to search for the guy's pics on Google. I was having trouble recognizing him. He didn't look like the beheaded guy.


Thanks to Allah, later I found out the truth. Given below. First listen to his story and then go to frame 4:28 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AvOQrTUEBA

I really wonder whether ISIS allows their prisoners to go for plastic surgery and botox. I thought prisoners get skinnier. But here Foley was fed so much that his face became bumpy