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Salam,

I understand your interrogation, and I would like to read other thoughts too, but I have an other question if you dare . I often ask it to people whom I share thoughts with here in France : a good question is a self questioning one, I mean : If after reflection and sharing thoughts, we reach the conclusion that God ordered men to be freed after repenting and women to be kept closed in houses until death or after God finds to them a way out, will we still question God's decree ? Isn't He the one who decrees what He wants ?
Just a question between others...feel free to answer.
Peace

I've heard this translated in a way that implies the lewdness is actually prostitution, and to keep them in the house and take care of them so they don't need to continue to do it, unless Allah finds a means of support for themselves (implying also the prostitution was due to necessity and inability to provide for themselves in any other way). However, I will obey whatever the book says no matter if I feel good about it or agree. The way it is translated currently does seem sort of sad, so the question is understood for sure!

  i didnt understood a thing but if saad waw laam than i cant find that root word

Please forgive my ignorance of Arabic transliteration, but  what does it mean to put the 9 in 9allaa?

I can tell you why most christian areas have left the idea of Hijab and see it as oppression.

In the Bible the verse where Paul is telling the women to cover, is an oppressive one. That she is ONLY created for the GLORY of the man. So even ppl like my nana and mother who know this passage see my hijab as showing my Glory to my husband and NOT to ALLAH as muslims see it.  I will give you the verse, in  a minute. The nuns are married to Isa (pbuh) in Catholicism, you will see a ring on their ring finger as the symbol of being married to Christ. If you are married to God in the flesh, I guess you would follow Paul and cover your hair. If you don't it is best to shave it off. My stupid Born-again brother in law did that to my sister. He held her down and shaved her head. And they were worried about me marrying a muslim 

1 Corinthians 3-10
3 But it is important for you to keep this fact in mind, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who takes part in prayer, or gives teaching as a prophet, with his head covered, puts shame on his head. 5 But every woman who does so with her head unveiled, puts shame on her head: for it is the same as if her hair was cut off. 6 For if a woman is not veiled, let her hair be cut off; but if it is a shame to a woman to have her hair cut off, let her be veiled. 7 For it is not right for a man to have his head covered, because he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man did not come from the woman, but the woman from the man. 9 And the man was not made for the woman, but the woman for the man. 10 For this reason it is right for the woman to have a sign of authority on her head,

Hope this helps, but this from my formal teachings in Catholicism

My mother is a very serious born-again non-denominational christian, and when I have asked her about this verse, it is one of the few that she adamantly claims was just paul's opinion, and isn't law.

http://paradoxuncreated.com/theology.html

Updated the lowest part, with the most interesting meditations I went through these last years. It seems to be settlings around these concepts. I will ofcourse update it again, if anything significant evolves.

Isn't this exactly what Anton Lavey believed about god? God is just the all pervading force in the uni/multiverse that makes all things go?

I once asked what is the best way to make a lasagne on a food forum and I got 5 different recipes, totally drove me away from cooking.

That implies that anything goes. No one can be wrong? I know I am heavily biased based on my predetermined notions of salat being the traditional sunni practice, but mmkhan is right. I shouldn't be seeking forums for guidance on what I don't understand, but instead seeking guidance from AQ and from Allah.

[The Inviolable institution of Obediance]

Salamun alaykum

How long have we been seeing this particular topic discussed and debated and still no light at the end of the proverbial tunnel ? There have been so many theories , conjectures and speculations about these supposedly holy places . If the subject matter in question wasn't so serious , I would have found it so funny and even ridiculous .

My own thought in respect of this often controversial topic is .......that as long as we continue to convince ourselves that "al Masjid al Haram and al Masjid al Aqsa" are two physical Mosques , our attempts at grasping the Truth will be futile . Can we let go of all our pre-conceived ideas about Islam and start from what we know about the Qur'an now ? How about starting with Ayman's translation of "al Masjid al Haram" as The Inviolable institution of Obediance or simply The Law ( my preference ) ? After all this al Masjid al Haram was so obvious , that any believers at the time of the messenger would have recognised it as they would their own children . ( Qur'an 2:144 ) . As for Al Masjid al Aqsa , or the farthest or is it the highest place of sujud ? I thought that this meaning presents no problem in reaching a clear conclusion as to the real meaning .

We as human being all have to go through a learning process , from basic knowledge of the world around us as well acquiring knowledge of the creator god , and Ahmad / Muhammad no exception to this rule in order to progress to a higher understanding , 93:7 , 96:1-5 . The messenger was searching for the Truth even before his appointment as prophet and messenger , and there are many anecdotal and hearsay evidence for this , regardless of the nature of these evidences , the sheer volume of it cannot be ignored . Further clarifying evidence to the need of the messenger to go through the learning process as a normal human can be seen at 18:110 and 6:50 . Only had the messenger undergone all the "Learning Process" as a normal man did he progress to a higher understanding of Truth through the guidance of The God by reading and studying The Qur'an that was revealed to him by The all Knowing as evidenced by 29:45 , 2:121 and 17:36 .

So , my personal understanding of The Journey from Al Masjid al Haram to The Furthest Masjid is that of a Spiritual and intellectual Journey rather than a physical one . From the the basic knowledge and observance of the law to the highest possible human potential e.g. Self Actualization and Self Trancendence as Abraham Marslow would describe it . My view on Hajj is very similar to this view of the two so called Holy Masjid , that is : I believe that Hajj is a Pilgrimage within our understanding from the Base to the Ultimate in human enlightenment . And we as believers should try to emulate The Role Models recommended to us by The Merciful God .


Peace and may The God guide us to all truth

This site is what brought me to Quran alone, and it is also the site that drove me away from it. I've tried to keep believing that the Quran is complete, but the seemingly most important aspects, such as salat, is so confusing that if you ask 3 people on this site, you'll get 4 different answers as to what it is, and how to do it. People have no idea how to do pilgrimages. The only seemingly clear parts of the Quran are the mundane laws, like how to handle orphans and inheritance.

I dont want to sound too cynical, but I really think they knew where Osama was for a long time, they waited to kill him at the best possible time for Obama, right before we were going to start pulling out our troops and just before the presidential election officially starts.  I saw one american offical being interviewed today and he slipped up and said weve been monitoring Osamas movements for the last 4 years, oops.  The timing on this is so suspect its beyond coincidence. Also, the fact that Osama was in a huge compound with barbwired walls a few yards from  a Pakistani military base is suspect, I saw an interview with a reporter who said he tried to get an aprtment in the same town before and was severely scrutinized by th ISI and military of pakistan due to the close proximity to the military base, so how does osama live there with supporters and a huge compound with noone knowing, its absurd.  Osama didnt have this huge al quada network surrounding him like weve been told.  America always said he was supposedly in a cave with thousands of supporters and layers of defense and constantly moving from mountain to mountain, and thats why it was so hard to find him. but in the end hes living in a mansion next to the military basem, few supporters, cut off from running an org with no internet, and harmless. Then america just goes in and gets him, kills him  and leaves with his body and dumps him in the ocean a few hours later, come on, like they were just waiting for the right time to swoop in and do it, with only two helicopters, they knew it was an easy mission and they knew there would be little resistance.  Then they didnt secure the compund to do searches and seizures of any evidence they could use to help find others in al quada.?, now today the compound burns to the ground?  Very suspicious operation and timing.

I was immediately suspicious about the whole ordeal, and the the quick suspicious ocean burial so that there would be no evidence. Glad to know I'm not the only one feeling weird about it. I heard claims that in order to give him a proper islamic burial, he *had* to be buried within 24 hours, so they did it at sea. It all seems setup.

[it is essentially down to having the correct understanding and belief of our Creator rather than what to call our Creator.]

I think one can get so much into semantics and not realise that Allah/The God is beyond words. Even Allah can have meanings with images/idols...look at those that pray to the Kaaba revering Allah....does that mean one should not use Allah to describe The Creator?? There are arab christians that still use Allah as part of Trinity. So I still think this position of There is no God is just a game of semantics, it is essentially down to having the correct understanding and belief of our Creator rather than what to call our Creator.
PEACE

I'm sure this may have been addressed before, but is Allah the Tao?

Salaaman CNB,

First of all, I don't THINK that AlTauraat [Torah] has mistakes in it. I know, I know what you are thinking, let me explain.

Allah said about AlTauraat as follows:

5:44    إنا أنزلنا التورية فيها هدى ونور يحكم بها النبيون الذين أسلموا للذين هادوا والربنيون والأحبار بما استحفظوا من كتب الله وكانوا عليه شهداء فلا تخشوا الناس واخشون ولا تشتروا بءايتي ثمنا قليلا ومن لم يحكم بما أنزل الله فأولئك هم الكفرون

5:44    We have sent down AlTauraat, in it is a guidance and a light; the prophets who have submitted judged with it for those who are Jewish, and the Devotees, and the Priests, for what they were entrusted of the Book of Allah, and they were witness over. So do not be concerned with the people but be concerned with Me; and do not purchase with My revelations a cheap price. And whoever does not judge with what Allah has sent down, then these are the rejectors.


Points to be noted in 5:44:

1- AlTauraat HAS guidance and light.

2- Judgements in AlTauraat is for Jews.

3- "Istuhfizoo" [preserved, same as the hafiz of AlQuraan] please look 15:9, 12:12 to get the exact meaning.


5:43    وكيف يحكمونك وعندهم التورية فيها حكم الله ثم يتولون من بعد ذلك وما أولئك بالمؤمنين

5:43    And how can they make you their judge when they have AlTauraat, in which there is the judgment of Allah; then they turn away after that. Those are not believers.


Points to be noted in 5:43


1- They cannot take others as judge when they have AlTauraat [this means that they have the original AlTauraat, so they are not allowed to make others judge]

2- STILL there are the judgement of Allah in AlTauraat.

3- They turn away from AlTauraat even after they have judgement of Allah in it. Allah did not say that they changed AlTauraat, but they turn away from it same as Sunnis and Shias do today.


3:93    كل الطعام كان حلا لبني إسرءيل إلا ما حرم إسرءيل على نفسه من قبل أن تنزل التورية قل فأتوا بالتورية فاتلوها إن كنتم صدقين

3:93    All the food was made lawful to the Children of Israel except what Israel forbade for himself before AlTauraat was sent down. Say: Bring AlTauraat and recite it if you are truthful.


Why Allah asked us to say them to bring AlTauraat and recite it if it was distorted and there is no more guidance in it?


AlTauraat still has guidance and light - 5:44
AlInjeel still has guidance and light - 5:46


People think that Prophet Mohammed (AS) was a great among other Prophets so his Book was protected and other's were not, in order to bring up and give a special position to Prophet Mohammed over other Prophets. Why Allah will protect only AlQuraan and why not other books? Are they not from Allah?

Sadly, a hadith said "Prophet Mohammed (AS) said: If Musa (AS) is available now, he will NOT read his book [AlTauraat] but he use to read my book [AlQuraan]"

Either it is AlTauraat, AlInjeel or AlQuraan, all are the Books of Allah, they all has same importance.


May Allah guide us all reach the Truth 
Mohammed M. Khan

Very well put! Another question now comes to mind in light of this: What of Jews today? The Quran should apply to them as well, so If Jews can now follow the Quran, all the laws of the Taurat can be effectively ignored by all?

I downloaded Qu'ran in albanian from a page on facebook Im a muslim and im proud, after the ayahs it contains hadiths! It's like an ayah, and then a little below it says in an hadith and stuff :|

Perhaps the author meant well somehow...but it seems very deceptive and evil to include hadith in the Quran. Surely this was to ensure that the reader kept their understanding inline with they intended.