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ofcourse! female circumcision is utter madness that serves no purpose. In fact it cannot be called 'circumcision' but is clearly savage "MUTILATION"...   
On the other hand, this topic suggests male circumcision as wrong too, about which i differ in opinion...
-Harris

["You would think that they were awake, when they were in fact asleep. We turned them to the right side and the left side, while their dog stretched his arms in their midst."- Quran 18:18Some would say, "They were three; their dog being the fourth," while others would say, "Five; the sixth being their dog," as they guessed. Others said, "Seven," and the eighth was their dog. Say, "My Lord is the best knower of their number." - Quran 18:22]

Salaam bros n sistas,

It always amuses me when some traditional muslim friend tells me how dogs are the most evil and hated creatures on earth.    These guys then go on to show many "proofs" by stating some hadiths like:
--I heard Allah's Apostle  saying; "Angels do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature." (Hadith - Bukhari 3:515, Narrated Abu Huraira)

--The Prophet  said, "Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be killed; but kill every pure black one." [Muslim, Narrated AbuDharr: "...The black dog is a devil."; Hadith - Mishkat, Transmitted by Abu Dawud and Darimi ]

--Allah's Apostle  said, "Whoever keeps a dog, one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily, unless the dog is used for guarding a farm or cattle."  (Hadith - Bukhari 3:515, Narrated Abu Huraira)

Learning such hadiths, muslims view the dogs as something dirty and evil. Some even believe it to be satan himself! For these ppl, i just have one solid answer that will prove like the light of day, how they reject the signs of Allah and believe in things that have no basis. See below the verses from the Quran that show the story of the 7 sleepers in the cave:
"You would think that they were awake, when they were in fact asleep. We turned them to the right side and the left side, while their dog stretched his arms in their midst."-  Quran 18:18

Some would say, "They were three; their dog being the fourth," while others would say, "Five; the sixth being their dog," as they guessed. Others said, "Seven," and the eighth was their dog. Say, "My Lord is the best knower of their number." - Quran 18:22

Why would Allah give so much importance to the dog as being one among his best servants if the animal was as these hadithists say a despicable creation of the devil? The sleepers in the cave were protected by Allah for around 300 years. If Allah were to allow the dog to be protected along with them, that can only show that Allah approves of the dog as being man?s companion. This only proves without a doubt that the Prophet could have never uttered such hadiths that go against the very essence of the Holy Quran. The dog is the creature that has been man?s best friend throughout history. This animal has a God given gift to bring happiness into people?s lives. It serves many important roles in our lives as most are aware of. Therefore it doesn?t make sense that the Prophet would trash the animal and warn us against it.

May Allah guide us in the right path.
Peace.
-Harris

[Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.-[Quran 2:62, 5:69]]

Salaam to all,
Can't believe all the evil tat is being propogated and discussed here... ppl are talking abt killing jews as if they're analyzing how to kill flies.... no wonder Allah has not granted victory to such hateful minds and continues to let the West (jews n christians) rule the world...

We muslims can hope for success in this life and the next ONLY after we are able to remove this poison tat has been injected into our minds via ppl like bukhari in the name of "hadiths".......the very reason for our downfall and destruction.. our problems will never end unless this hate in our minds for all that is different from our own is not removed...

Before you judge others, do remember Allah's words:

Surely, those who believe,
those who are Jewish,
the Christians,
and the converts;
anyone who
(1) believes in GOD, and
(2) believes in the Last Day, and
(3) leads a righteous life,
will receive their recompense from their Lord;
they have nothing to fear,
nor will they grieve.
-[Quran 2:62, 5:69]


Peace to all.
Allah hafiz.

Alright all my bros n sistas here..

cool it.. wierd how so many of u are so ignorant abt basic issues before u start blaming the Quran and even God... yeesh!
So u guys feel the Quran has done nothing to ban SLAVERY??

Heyyy before u start accusing, understand something... this so called "slaves" in the Quran (and for tat matter even the Bible) refers to the working class of the day... u know the labourers and workers? im sure everybody knows tat those days there were no employment-contracts, no offices and no salaries ryt... so naturally they had workers for life who lived and worked with the family in their homes, their whole lives till death... tat was the only possibility then...... So rather than treating such workers like animals, the Quran taught the landlord-class to be kind and compassionate to their slaves (worker)..

Ofcourse wen we hear abt slaves today, we get a picture of some naked guy tied up in big chains..... (well blame the disbelievers for such treatments of their workers)

hope tat answers the qstn of this gr8 debate, dudes...... 

-Harris   

[Maybe we should have looked more like grizzly bears according to your idea of the ?perfect body??]

Dear bros n sistas,
Now I am not here to side with sunnis or the jews, but the truth is, circumcision is supposed to have shown many medical benefits as follows:
1.   Prevents urinary tract infections throughout life, most importantly in infancy
2.   Prevents HIV/AIDS infection and other sexually transmitted diseases
3.   Prevent cervical cancer in female partners of uncircumcised men
4.   Prevents cancer of the penis
5.   Prevents infected/un-retractable foreskin and penile skin disease
6.   Promotes Lifetime ease of cleanliness (surely)
7.   Women's sexual preference (ok tats debatable) 

It is well-known that many projects have developed in the African nations with the backing of the UN and WHO for mass-circumcisions to help fight disease. One can easily verify this information on their official websites:
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=22036
http://www.who.int/hiv/topics/malecircumcision/en/index.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/07/0726_050726_circumcision.html
http://data.unaids.org/pub/pressrelease/2007/20070328_pr_mc_recommendations_en.pdf


Of course you might come up with evidence that circumcision cannot be 100% guarantee against such infections. But then neither is locking your home a guarantee that you will not be robbed, right?  But most people certainly do continue to lock their homes and have a little faith  
Coming to the point that GOD has mentioned in the Quran that man was created in the perfect image, well does that mean you will never get sick or treat yourself for a cold? Coz GOD has made you ?perfect? right?! What about the vestigial organs inside the human body? How did these useless parts end up there according to your definition of ?perfect?? And why do people have to cover themselves up with thick jackets during the winter if the human body was designed ?perfect?? Maybe we should have looked more like grizzly bears according to your idea of the ?perfect body??   
Hope you understand what I am getting at.  :sun:The natural conclusion of that verse 95:4 would be that GOD has produced a perfect creature that has been allowed to evolve over millions of years to perfectly co-exist with its environment on this planet. Most importantly, man has been given a remarkable brain, the intelligence to take care of himself and overcome any difficulty he may face during his existence. That?s it. Nothing more, nothing less.
GOD bless.

P.S.: Sura 4:119 seems more related to what is happening in science and the field of cosmetic surgery today. It in fact sounds perfectly matched as people today ?desire? to appear young their whole life, whatever the cost. Thus they undergo inhuman procedures and alter their ?form?.  Doesn?t this make more sense? Also the medical world is in a race to change the building blocks of life and create their own. We can only expect abominations to come forth once they start playing with GOD?s design. As some experts point out, releasing new organisms into the environment can only do more harm than good.   

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10132762.stm
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/17/magazine/the-dark-side-of-plastic-surgery.html?pagewanted=1


-Harris