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Off-Topic / Unban FreedomStands
« on: October 14, 2015, 08:47:57 PM »
Missing inputs from FreedomStands. Everybody should be allowed to express their views freely in free-minds forum.

I petition to authorities to unban FreedomStands. Any member supporting this petition , please express their views in comments.

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Forum Suggestions / Re: Posting Restrictions.
« on: September 17, 2015, 05:49:49 PM »
Yeah , he is banned permanently. I too wonder why.

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Though I like your posts and seems logical , yet you seem arrogant and overconfident to many. The problem in that is everybody is afraid to be indoctrinated.

23:1 Successful indeed are the believers;,
23:2 those who humble themselves in their salat (still I don't know what is true meaning of salat here)
23:3 And they avoid vain talk.,
23:4 and who are intent on inner purity;(for zakat)
23:5 and who are mindful of their chastity,
23:8 and who are faithful to their trusts and to their pledges,
23:9 and who guard their prayers (salat)
23:10 It is they, they who shall be the inheritors

Is there anybody behaving arrogantly in their salat? How? How to guard salat?

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What is shahada in Islam? Isn't it a false shahada? Present day Muslims who utter this shahada never see or hear or feel Allah or Muhammad. So how can they utter this shahada to be Muslim or to remain Muslim ?

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Heaven and Hell: Is it a fair deal?
« on: September 15, 2015, 06:43:24 AM »
Well the only wise thing to do is to ask FreedomStands because that is the only way to get a good answer. If that is not who you were asking, then that was your first mistake. Luckily, The FreedomStands is merciful, and will answer anyway!

What was the question again?

Oh yeah it is in the title I guess "Heaven and Hell: Is it a fair deal?".

Let us look upon FreedomStands, his glorious countenance as he responds *golf silence*:

No. The Answer is No.

Amazing! FreedomStands answered perhaps faster than a Magic 8 Ball! How does he do it? I have the hots for him, that's for sure!

Why is the answer No?

Because it is not fair or just to create things and then threaten them and put them at risk. I am so sorry none of you could apparently think of that yourselves (I don't know if anyone did, I didn't read all the foolish things people were likely to have said with their lips hanging loosely).

Who said God is "fair" by your definitions? God is not "fair" or "just" by normal standards, nor is God as "kind" as you might hope. The proof of that is the ignorant state you mentioned. It is immediately cruel that God has left you in your limited awareness, and you're filled with difficult questions and might even feel lost and astray. Is an of that nice? Why doesn't God simply answer your question? How would you know the answer is right? Many times the confident ones are also delusional (oh you must think that means me!)

Is Heaven fair? No. Is existing fair? Nope. Is Hell fair? Nah. I'm running out ways to say Nein!

Do you think my answer is wrong? Let me know how I can be wrong.

God is the Ignorant one. Oh shoot, what new blasphemy has FreedomStands uttered?

What knowledge did Allah have before Allah created knowledge and information? Or was the "Knowledge" and Information not created, a partner along with God? So that if Pharoah is part of information, that Pharoah was with God from the beginning?

No, God is Pure, the Ignorant One, God knows NOTHING except what God generates, then it is "known" and then it becomes "unknown", and the Knowledge has no stability or eternity. In the beginning was Ignorance and God remains ignorant. What God is ignorant of, has no existence anywhere, that is evident, because if God knows something it exists, and if everything existed you would not be able to move or do anything. Thus all things are based on ignorance, without ignorance there could be no motion or action, and Ignorance is an important attribute of Allah, however despicable it seems to say it.
Butifully said.

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What is the nature of God? / Re: CAN ALLAH BE EVERYWHERE
« on: August 14, 2015, 11:31:19 PM »
Peace FreedomStands, Please give ayats about "chance" from Quran.

Could you give your opinion of these ayats regarding
free will or lack thereof.

18:29 ?Say: ?The truth is from your Lord.? Let him who will, believe, and
let him who will, reject (it).?

4:115 ?If anyone contends with the Messenger even after Guidance has been
plainly conveyed to him, and follows a path other than what becoming of men
Faith, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell,
what an evil refuge!?

And finally:

13:11 ?Verily never will Allah change the condition of a people until they change
it themselves.?


It is obvious as per Quran that :Allah's will and human will are not contradictory
because our intentions works with Allah's will.


God bless




                 8)
FS is banned temporarily , so I quote him from his post -
"To simplify for everyone, it can only be the following ways logically:

1. God created EVERYTHING IN EVERY DETAIL, thus KNOWS EVERYTHING IN EVERY DETAIL, IS CREATING IT EVEN NOW and THUS KNOWS IT (Never rested or stopped, new experiences are occurring), so the "choice" is only really an illusion, God really created and chooses whatever and they have no choice (as the Qur'an seems to explicitly say even, but this is a matter of good logic!)

or

2. God did not really create "EVERYTHING" meaning "ALL" but "SOME" or even "MOST" except not "to choose, the choosing, what we will, what we desire, our turning this way or that way", and so God did not determine what exactly we do and is not the cause of it, but we choose freely, which really means "Chance" determines what we choose, and God runs after us and Chance and waits for Chance to decide.

Please note, I am not denying on the immediate level the appearance of deliberation, desire, and having choices.

It can never be, except as a fallacious statement or logical inconsistency, or "pussy footing" around saying certain things, that "Yes, God created all, nothing is determined by chance, God knows exactly what you will do and created why that would be too, yet did not do it and is not the cause of what he created and thus what he knows. It just can't be true logically.

It is like saying "I made everything, and know what it will do, I did not determine it" what the heck is that? It is an extremely weird statement or idea, which people don't think through. So Chance then determined it if it could go any other way, if it couldn't go any other way then it is God determining all things, but there is no matter what an Ultimate determiner, and for me that is all the same, God or Chance, by whatever name.

It is determining to create and know exactly what one will do. It is like saying "I did this and I am not responsible for it" God says WE are not responsible for it, God is the one responsible for everything."  http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607697.msg373785#msg373785

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What is the nature of God? / Re: CAN ALLAH BE EVERYWHERE
« on: August 14, 2015, 09:39:08 PM »

""Never any choice had they".[/b]

Please quote the verse and we can discuss.

"That is not to say that in your life you won't be faced with choices, and whatever you end up choosing it is actually Allah choosing for you, and that does not mean it is necessarily good for you either, Allah may intend you harm."

So you want to give a free pass to all the murderers and the rapists of this world. As per you, if someone slaughters a family, we should let them walk free, because .... hey, its not you doing it, its actually God, so no worries.

Why blame anyone for anything that they do in their life? Lets all demolish the Jails, and let all these men of God walk free to do as Allah wills. Quite the paradise on earth you want to create here.

If that is really what you believe in your life then I sincerely think that you need to re-examine your beliefs.

57:22
No evil befalls on the earth nor in your own souls, but it is in a book before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to Allah:

37:96
when it is God who has created you and all your handiwork?

113:2
"from the evil that He has created,

6:101
The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort, when He created everything whatsoever and is Aware of all things?

37:9
while God created you and what you do?

28:68
And your Lord creates what He wills and chooses. Not they have for them the choice. Glory be (to) Allah and High is He above what they associate (with Him as other creators and choosers).

21:35
Every soul must taste of death, and We prove you with evil and with good, for ordeal. And unto Us ye will be returned.

77:23
For We determine; and We are the best to determine

39:62
GOD is the Creator of all things, and He alone has the power to determine the fate of all things.

87:3
and who determines the nature [of all that exists], and thereupon guides it [towards its fulfilment],

76:30
And not you will except what wills Allah. Indeed, Allah is All-Knower, All-Wise.

81:29
And you do not even will anything except whatever wills Allah, Lord (of) the worlds.

18:23
And (do) not say of anything, "Indeed, I will do that tomorrow."
Except, "If Allah wills
."
And remember your Lord when you forget and say, "Perhaps [that] will guide me my Lord to a nearer (way) than this right way."




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Jinn & the Paranormal / Re: Occult Article
« on: August 14, 2015, 03:15:42 AM »
We can  start with the moderators. How about making them introduce the following  rules:

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
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We can start the show in Jerusalem, then change to Mecca!

GOD bless.
Peace.
real magic. Already it comes true for FS.

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Off-Topic / Re: Flat Earth vs. NASA's fake CGI Ball
« on: August 12, 2015, 12:38:32 PM »
This thread reminds me of a joke...

One man in the heat of intense argument with others declares , if you can convince me that I'm wrong , I'll give you my wife.

When he comes home his wife angrily confronts him , how dare you bet on me ? Am I  so insignificant or useless to you? Are you my owner? Do you think I'm household furniture?

He replies , don't worry my dear. To take you they have to convince me first. I won't be convinced no matter what they say or whatever proof they put forward.

conclusion - Some people can't be convinced no matter what.  Zulf and FS please take note.

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Pilgrimage (Hajj) / Re: Baccata and Haj
« on: August 10, 2015, 11:53:58 PM »
Looks like even back then there were people saying what runninglikezebras is saying here http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603126.msg287389#msg287389

So what was the conclusion of the Pazuzu article? Was Muhammed in Mecca and Medina like the mainstream academics say?

I saved the picture of the map, that was pretty cool!
   Look , as you said I don't really care whether Muhammad was in Mars or Jupiter or even in Mecca and Medina like the mainstream academics say , because he is dead and we are not witness of him and moreover this information is not necessary for our salvation . But Pazzuzu's several posts including this one makes us think and understand religious history of Muslims , Christians and Jews and how they are fabricated including hadiths. Pazuzu's reasoning based on quranic Ayats , historians and archeological evidence. You should read them all to grasp it , if you want to better argue with people like runninglikezebra.

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