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Sunni/Shia Religion / Re: What is the funniest thing you've heard?
« on: September 27, 2009, 03:07:48 AM »
according to his beliefs, if that works for him whats wrong with that?  ???

Thing is, he is using religion to justify his acts. Sacrificing animals with pure intention for charity is honourable, but he is killing animals out of anger and depression. I honestly do not think it is a positive thing to do. What matters here is your intention, I guess...

Back on topic... has anyone heard of Sunnis' claim (or maybe HAdiths) that:

Two places that angels will not enter are bedroom and bathroom (apparently they are 'embarassed' to see us bathe or have intercourse). So it is wise not to recite any ayahs in those two places :S

Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: Praying with the Hijab
« on: September 25, 2009, 04:46:06 AM »
So, based on the discussion so far, wearing a veil is not prescribed in the Quran, but rather in the Bible... All my life, I have been wearing a veil that covers the whole of my body when I salat... It is rather difficult to start praying without one, it has become a habit actually. Will it be a sin to continue praying with veil one, knowing the fact that it is not prescribed in the Quran? I mean, sure it is not prescribed, but it is forbidden to wear one while praying (with cultural and habitual aspects as the reason)?


« on: September 25, 2009, 04:41:19 AM »
There is something that I've been questioning. In my understanding is that any intoxicant is haraam, hence we are not allowed to consume it. However, is anything that contains intoxicant but not intoxicating allowed?

Say, rum by itself is intoxicating. Nowadays, there are cakes and chocolates that use rum as one of their ingredients. Will be haraam to consume those foods? I mean, really, me eating 100 blocks or rum and raisin chocolates will get me intoxicated, I'd probably die from stuffing myself or stomach explosion before I get myself intoxicated lol.

Any thoughts?

Hadith Discussions / Re: Hadith plagiarized from the Bible
« on: September 25, 2009, 04:36:35 AM »

it's also similar with zoroastrian story..

"Ascent into Heaven: The hagiography of Islam assures us that Prophet Mohammad ascended to heaven from Jerusalem on the mythical beast Burrrak. He crossed the 7 spheres, exchanged greetings with the patriarchs and beheld the glory of God.

The Dinkard tells us that at the entreaties of Asho Zarthustra Bahman Ameshaspand transcendentally elevated his consciousness to the realm of heaven wherein Asho Zarthustra looked at the reflugent majesty of God. A similiar journey was attributed to the virtuous Ardaviraf who visited hell, purgatory and heaven during his spiritual journey.

The above similarities are obvious. A more careful research would reveal more parallels. However even these points are too close to be dismissed as mere coincidences. This means Zoroastrianism has had an enormous impact on Islam which is not acknowledged. Everyone agrees Islam owes a lot to Judaism and Christianity but I feel that the scholars of Islam borrowed very heavily from Iran and this can be perhaps attributed to that shadowy figure of Dastur Dinyar (Salman Farsi). This debt is so impressive that it had to be consistently downgraded and later denied. After all if Islam is supposedly directly inspired by God it cannot be seen to be acknowledging any debt to an older faith, specially the faith of a nation which Islam has defeated. This may perhaps explain the devotion of your Persian Imams to my Faith"

taken from :

Interesting... it is amazing how much the Hadiths have borrowed from other religions... and the more I read into the Bible, the more 'parallels' (or should I say, plagiarism) I find in the Hadiths... one being how Allah is described as a jealous God...

Man, makes me wanna learn more about all these religions... you know what's sad though? The majority of Moslems (Sunnis) refuse to read about other religion in fear of being astray or misguided (I was warned by my friend not to come near the Bible because it might shatter my iman), but hey, it is exactly from reading the Bible and a bit of other religions, that I found the truth about Islam (well, more of, the truth about Hadiths)  ;D

Asia/Middle East/Africa / Re: are you in Australia?
« on: September 24, 2009, 12:43:33 AM »
I certainly am from Australia. Sydney to be precise :)

Off-Topic / Re: Did anyone call you a Kafir/Infidel?
« on: September 22, 2009, 04:33:17 AM »
Well not really, but warned. At the time, I was confused with all these nonsensical rules in Islam (maybe Sunnism to be more accurate) and decided to actually READ the Quran to make up my mind (mind you, I was raised in an environment that encouraged people to observe blind faith, recite Al-Quran without actually knowing what the ayahs mean in our language).

I brought this up to my boyfriend (A hadith lover), telling him that I wanted to start over. Unlearning what I have learnt and started from zero, that is reading the Quran from beginning). He warned me that it wouldn't be wise learning the Quran without 'knowledgeable ulama" and said, that it is important to uphold hadith alongside the Quran otherwise I would be led astray, that is becoming a kaffir...

And here I am, nearly convinced that I am a Quran-aloner (well can't say I am one *yet*, because I still haven't finished reading the entirety of the Quran and Hadiths, as well as the Bible)... The mind boggles how my boyfriend will react if he finds out I am a Quran-aloner and reject Hadiths xp

Hadith Discussions / Re: Hadith plagiarized from the Bible
« on: September 22, 2009, 04:22:13 AM »
Something that just crossed my mind recently, don't know if anyone has mentioned it or not...

Is it just me that the tale of Isra Mi'raj where Prophet Muhammad 'bargained' with God the number of Salat from fifty to five, is (awfully) similar to the tale of Prophet Ibrahim in the Bible (Genesis 18: 24-33) where he begged God to pardon the people of Sodom? In the Bible, God first said he'd pardon then if Prophet Ibrahim could find fifty righteous people, then forty-five, forty, thirty and so on? Too similar I reckon...

Sunni/Shia Religion / Re: What is the funniest thing you've heard?
« on: September 21, 2009, 12:34:46 AM »
Bleh... just had an argument with a friend of a friend and feel like venting here (hope you guys don't mind)

Me: Pin point exactly where in the Quran that says women have to cover their head! It says to cover your bosom... and to cover the beauty, except what is necessary (well the Quran in our language uses the word usual instead of necessary)! If God wills, He will specify the neck, the hair and ears to be covered because He has stated the bosom and necessary, which means He considers the different environment and changing social values. He leaves it up to US to decide.

Sunni: Yes, but the HADITH of Prophet Muhammad states that [insert some Hadith I don't bother writing here].

Me: Dude... just tell me which part of the QURAN that says that? So, are you referring God forgets?

Sunni: We cannot just rely on the Quran, we need the Hadith to explain stuff. Quran is the guideline and Hadith is the implementation. Quran is global and is not detailed in telling us what to do (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). If Quran goes into details about this and that, then it will be on awfully THICK book and we don't want that (O__o;;;)

Me: Okay... so you are following this compilation of so-called authentic narrations than the word of God?

Sunni: It's not that! Sunnah has been the tradition of the centuries and agreed by many scholars/Ulamas. Who is your ulama by the way? Is he an Arab?

Me: I don't thing being an Arab or not has any relevance.

Sunni: Well obviously the Quran is written in Arabic and the Arabs know more than we do. So I trust them.

And I decided to end the discussion  :brickwall: :brickwall:

Anyway... a talk with a Hadith lover friend of mine, he is trying to give a sermon.

Friend: Unlike the Jews and the Christians, we are walking the right path. Their present culture is so corrupted and full of sin. Only us, who live the Islamic culture, which is the Sunnah, are amongst the guided ones.

Me (thinking): Do you actually know that the so-called 'Islamic culture' you are talking of, is actually derived from the Old and New Testament ? *roll eyes*

Another one... there was this case where a relative of mine was asked to be a second wife of her boyfriend and of course my big family strongly opposed... she insisted that"

"What I am doing is a from of worship to God. It is in the Sunnah that Prophet Muhammad was married to more than one woman at a time"

Last... but not least...

Friend: If you need an enlightment on living the Islam way, you can borrow my book detailing on how Prophet Muhammad walked, slept, bathed and even urinated.

Errrmmmm... I don't think I need that >.<

Sunni/Shia Religion / Re: What is the funniest thing you've heard?
« on: September 18, 2009, 05:06:30 AM »

Some Ulama in Indonesia has made this fatwa, but nobody care actually, poor fatwa..

I gather you are from Indonesia too! I LOLed myself when I read this fatwa  :laugh:!

Oohh btw, I read an article about the fatwa issued in Egypt (I think it was Egypt) which involves a male and a female worker working together in a room, just by themselves. Because it is 'haraam' for a man and a woman who are not mahrams to be alone, then they issued a fatwa that the man should shuckle/breastfeed from the woman, making the woman then unlawful to marry (they used Quranic verses to justify that)... hence it is OK for the two to be alone to work >.>

Also... I had this conversation with my uncle... well, a very distant relative actually.

Uncle: y'know when I was overseas I had to be a vegetarian because the meat there isn't halal! (and he started talking about a lot of hadiths on what is halal and what's not... and that the majority of the population is Christians and not Muslims).

Me: Well, Al-Quran does say that it is lawful to eat anything that has been made lawful for Jews and Christians (The People of the Book).

Uncle: Really? Al-Quran says that?

Me: O_O

Haha... goes to show how much people stress on the hadiths rather than Al-Quran. Then again, I'm still not sure if that ruling still applies since the definition of People of The Book may not equate Christians and Jews at present times (can anyone enlighten me on that?)

Anyway... another conversation with the very same uncle.

Uncle: Can you read/recite Al-Quran?
Me: Well, I'm not that good at reciting it.
Uncle: What? As a good Muslim, you need to be able to recite Al-Quran well!
Me: Ummm... I'd prefer to read the translation of Al-Quran first and know its meanings. Then after that, I may proceed to learning how to recite Al-Quran properly...
Uncle: Non-sense. Learning its meanings can come later! The most important thing is to know how to recite it! That's how you get rewards!

Riigghttt... so should I read Al-Quran like a robot???

Sunni/Shia Religion / Re: What is the funniest thing you've heard?
« on: September 17, 2009, 05:21:30 AM »
Women cannot clip their fingernails or cut their hair while menstruating. Menstruation = unclean state, hence any body part is dirty and cannot be clipped/cut until the women perform ablution. Otherwise those body parts that we clip/cut will ask for the women's responsibility on the Judgement Day

Facebook is haraam.

We shouldn?t dye our hair black but it?s okay to dye the hair with any other colour.

It is OK to steal from the kafir >.<

If a husband gives away a gift from his wife to someone else, the wife will be rewarded in the afterlife. But if it is the wife who does it, she will be condemned >.>

If a husband goes to hell, so will the wife.

If we sacrifice one sheep in Eid Adha, then the sheep will give us a ride to heaven in the afterlife. If we sacrifice a cow, then the cow will save us and 6 other people that we 'nominate'

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