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Prophets and Messengers / Re: Please make me understand 9:24
« on: October 17, 2012, 10:10:26 AM »
Peace

I think here discussion is abt ayah....u should start another forum and discuss this...n yes its ur personal choice to have affection for 1 prophet more than others....

Problem arise when u start imposing on others to have same affection....else u r considered kafir....n I think now we should stick to ayah...


Peace.

Excuse me? Why should I be considered as a kafir?


I'm not imposing anyone to have affection for one Prophet more than the others, nor it is my personal choice. I'm just saying that it is natural for human being to have affection for one Prophet more than another. Imagine you were present 1400 years ago during the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and you saw him face-to-face. You talked to him. You walked side-by-side with him. You went to his house. He taught you the best interpretation of the Qur'an. After all these, wouldn't you have had a bit more affection in your heart for Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) than for the other Prophets? Be honest. And this was the case for the sahabi of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Does this mean the sahabi were kafirs?


Please tell me where I am wrong, and why should I be considered as a kafir.

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: Please make me understand 9:24
« on: October 17, 2012, 05:12:05 AM »
@Scribbler

I think u r going off topic dude... :offtopic:


Peace be upon you.

It is my bad if you think that I'm going off topic.

But the point that I'm trying to make is, that it should be no problem EVEN IF some people feel extra affection towards Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) while some may feel towards other Prophets like Isa or Musa (pbut), because there is no way one person can love everyone one hundred percent equally. But we have to show equal amount of respect to every Prophet. And this is the way of not violating Allah's rule by making distinction between the Prophets.

If some people feel extra affection for Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), will this mean they are making distinction between the Prophets?

From my opinion, I don't think so. And I have given the reason, it's because no person can love everyone one hundred percent equally.

I hope you understand my point here.

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: Please make me understand 9:24
« on: October 17, 2012, 05:06:55 AM »
I don't see what does this has to do with loving a prophet over others? The message of the Quran is the same message of the other prophets. What the verse is talking about is supporting the prophet during his mission when people were trying to kill him and therefore to kill the message he was preaching. they believed Muhammad was the inspiration behind the Quran and felt the best way to kill the message is to kill him. This is the same command given to the believers around Moses when they were told to fight and many Israelites refused telling Moses to fight alone with the angels.

Peace be with you.

Yes, I understand what you mean. But the point that I'm trying to make is, that it should be no problem IF some people feel extra affection towards Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) while some may feel towards other Prophets like Isa or Musa (pbut), because there is no way one person can love everyone one hundred percent equally. But we have to show equal amount of respect to every Prophet. And this is the way of not violating Allah's rule by making distinction between the Prophets.

If some people feel extra affection for Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), will this mean they are making distinction between the Prophets?

From my opinion, I don't think so. And I have given the reason, it's because no person can love everyone one hundred percent equally.

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: Please make me understand 9:24
« on: October 17, 2012, 12:44:36 AM »
Salaam,

Thanks am for what you wrote above.

Has anyone stopped by and looked at what she wrote here? This is very important to understand.

Besides this, I don't know how always Rasool or Nabiyy is by default Muhammad? Is there no other Rasool or Nabiyy? And all aayaats are for today not for that period, we have to understand this.


May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path  :pr
mmKhan


Peace be with you.

Okay, let's think about it in a different way.

Like you've said that all the ayats are also applicable for mankind today, so in this case, I think we are to love Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) more than the other prophets as per 9:24. But when it comes to showing respect to the messengers, then IN THIS CASE, we are not supposed to make any distinction. I say this because, I think it's not possible to love everyone exactly one hundred percent equally. For e.g. some people will love their parents more than their spouses, while some will love their spouses more than their parents. No matter what, it won't be possible to love them (spouses and parents) one hundred percent equally. And people may say that they love them all equally, but if you put them into a test, the result will tell you whom they love the most. The test can be like, if the spouse, and one of the parents are thrown into fire, and a person is said that he can only save one of them from the fire, and he'll have to let go off the other. So some people will choose their spouses over their parents and that will prove that those people love their spouses more, and vice versa.

Similarly, we all may say that we love all the Prophets equally, but no matter what, most of us will have in our hearts, a little bit more extra-affection for Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) compared to others. For e.g. if something comes on the internet against Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), like something very insulting about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), then most of us will seriously become more angry and will feel more sad, compared to if something comes on the internet against Prophet Idris (pbuh) or Yahya (pbuh). We can't stop ourselves from feeling differently no matter how much we try.


And there is a verse in the Qur'an supporting this nature of human being:

And it will not be within your power to treat your wives with equal fairness, however much you may desire it; and so, do not allow yourselves to incline towards one to the exclusion of the other, leaving her in a state, as it were, of having and not having a husband. But if you put things to rights and are conscious of Him - behold, God is indeed much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace. (4:129)


Here Allah is telling that no one can treat their wives equally no matter how much they try. And this also suggests that they can't love all of them one hundred percent equally.


So what I think is, despite some of us may be a bit more affectionate towards Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and some may be towards Prophet Isa (pbuh) or Musa (pbuh), we all got to show the same amount of respect for every messenger, thus, not making any distinction between them.

Like we if say, "O Allah! Give Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) 100 mansions in paradise, and give Prophet Isa (pbuh) 50 mansions."....THEN THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!...If we say 100 mansions for Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), then we also got to say 100 mansions for all the other messengers as well.

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: Please make me understand 9:24
« on: October 16, 2012, 08:59:14 AM »
Thanks all. I think I'm now getting the point here :)

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Prophets and Messengers / Please make me understand 9:24
« on: October 16, 2012, 05:06:44 AM »
Salamun Alaykum/Peace be with you.


I'm new at Free-minds. :) I just joined today, as I believe Qur'an should be followed alone and not ahadith. I hope gradually I'll get to be familiar with this website and get to know the people here and their opinions, insha'Allah.

For now, I have one question regarding 9:24.

(Muhammad), tell them, "If your fathers, children, brothers, spouses, relatives, the property that you possess, the trade you fear may have no profit and the homely life are more beloved to you than God, His Messenger and fighting for His cause, wait until God fulfills His decree (of making the right distinct from the wrong). God does not guide the evil-doers." (9:24)


Is not this verse telling us that at FIRST we have to love Allah the most. Allah has to be our no.1. Then SECOND, we have to love the messenger. The messenger has to be our no.2. And THIRD, it has to be fighting/striving for the cause of Allah, which should be our no.3?


So if this verse is telling us to love the messenger just after Allah, doesn't this mean we have to love Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) more than other prophets? Because the messenger here being talking about can only be Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). And if we are to follow this verse, i.e. to love Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) more than other messengers, isn't this going to make a distinction between Prophet Muhammad and other messengers who came before him? And we know that we are not supposed to make any distinction between the messengers. So how should we follow this verse?

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