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[But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.]

1. Where is any copy of this "injeel" now?

2. What evidence is there that there was an injeel different from the Gospels before and/or at the time of Muhammad?

3. How come your god couldn't stop people tampering with and destroying it?

4. How logistically could a man or group of men go all the way around the world, to every nook and cranny, to every church, home, library, king's palace, monastery, university, rich man's house...and steal the "original" 1000's of injeels and replace it with a fake one OR alter its words? How could this occur and no one get caught or there be no one waking up in the morning going, "Hey, who's been altering my injeel?"

I'm still waiting for an honest Muslim (I know, an oxymoron!).

1. Why dont you ask your PAGAN PORK EATING EMPORER OR HIS ARCHBISHOP OR his 4 stooges......

2. How logically can christians say that jesus died for the sins of mankind, but according to their FAKE MEN MADE BOOK authored by Mathew Mark Luke & John confirmed just before Jesus died, he cried out in Aramaic, "Eli Eli lama sabachthani".....Does it look like Jesus is ready to die for sins of mankind?

3. Why was the New Testament written in the so called Greek language when Jesus was an Aramaic speaker?

4. But Jesus was sent as a Messenger to the Israelites -  I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 15:22-26), so who was Jesus, an Israelite or a Greek or an Aramean or was he an Indian? Make up your mind  Hindu, ops sorry, Christian

5. So r u an Israelite? If not why are u following jesus doctrines when you are supposed to follow the doctrines of the one that already has come after Jesus?

6. One final reference, Galatians 1:8-9, is pertinent to this important issue: Where is the Gospel of Jesus that Paul talked about? Dont give me craps like according to Mathew Mark Luke or John!

But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

7. I'm still waiting for a honest Christian (I know, an oxymoron!).

No one saw, but just believe it - yeh right! I should just commit intellectual suicide and believe a series of conversations to which no other person witnessed, conversations upon which a whole religion is based. An "angel", right!

LIES LIES LIES, FULL OF LIES

Show me Quranic verses that an Angel spoke or taught the Prophet,

[your false prophet to have sex with an underage child,]

Yep, that's right I should believe a man who sat in a cave all by himself and spoke to an "angel", which no one else saw. Yep, that sounds really, really sound and strong history. Totally verified and verifiable!

No one saw, but just believe it - yeh right! I should just commit intellectual suicide and believe a series of conversations to which no other person witnessed, conversations upon which a whole religion is based. An "angel", right!

An "angel" which then told your false prophet to have sex with an underage child, to make war with Christians and Jews, who told your false prophet to raid neighbouring tribes and districts and countries, and say, "We won't punish you or make war against you again if you pay us a lot of money." Sounds exactly what the Mafia do. Stand over tactics = Muhammad the gangster.

Check this website: https://archive.md/20151013103634/http://www.masseiana.org/panarion_bk1.htm%23First

Go to Part 26. Epiphanius Against the Gnostics, or Borborites, scroll down to 8:2-3, you'll see that that dead human racist rebel was a godless adulterer.

Recommend check out and study them as well, the pagan xtians making them into "heresy" to cover up their godless idolatry.

Hisblowup,

I needed a good laugh today, and you gave it to me. Thanks you.

You can laugh all you want, i know, the truth really hurts

If I have time later I'll respond. I have to do some really important things today, like paint my nails and locate that hair pin I dropped a few years ago in my study, but I'll really try and get to you. Of course, I don't really want to get to you because, honestly, you're so crazy and ignorant I just don't see how I can reach you. I only respond so that other aren't led away by your ignorance.

Its ok, a stupid arrogant old man who has been bragging since day 1, honestly, u are senile and probably andropause, time for you to retire...

As I said to Sarah yesterday, you're one of these people who, in an extended moment of self-congratulation, believe they know enough about the history of Christianity to argue against someone who has been studying it for well over 3 decades. Unfortunately, you think cutting and pasting a few favourable quotes wins an argument.

30 years of lies, taught you how to be arrogant, ad hominem, that is what you learn from christianity.....its a disgrace to the human race. Fyi, i quote, people of distinction, like Peter Stein, whom i have communication with. i suggest go and meet up with your christian brothers and follow up with their failed research on Islam, then come back here and we can have an educated dialogue

BTW, Deedat was not a scholar. I've met him and believe me, he was a jahash and got what he deserved in the end. You can't mock God the way he did for that long without God eventually getting pissed off. He, like you, was an uneducated liar. Be careful, Hisblowup, be very, very careful because pride always comes before a fall. It may take time, but it arrives.

Compare to Deedat, you are a wasted sperm, the truth really hurts just like it hurts many people, you see, people like you do not want to know the truth, they prefer conjectures and they think they know somethings and others knows nothing. With your arrogance, you go nowhere. You better advice yourself, you have been mocking God - the ONE and ONLY GOD - our Creator. Only a MORON will say, christian god jewish god hindu god and what else? You better be careful or you will be crucified like your man god and cry like a bitch! If you think you have knowledge, use it for goodwill, mocking with ad hominem, its just pathetic and you call yourself educated??? I have met many educated intellectual people, and they are/were never like you.

Old man be very, very careful because arrogance will make you fall, and you will fall hard!

I apologise I called you an idiot, moron, uneducated. I am truly sorry. Rather, I didn't know you have serious mental health issues.

Me too, for calling you a senile old man, rather I didn't know you have serious narcissistic personality disorder,

[So woe to those who WRITE the "Book" with their own hands, then SAY, "This is from ALLAH", in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they EARN.]

Here we go again....

1. Here's the delusion that Muslims believe.

Jesus had a book and/or a message for which the only "evidence" is supposedly found in a book written 600 years after Jesus' life. This book/message WAS completely different from the Gospels which we have nowadays, these having been written by his friends at the time he existed. Of course, according to the educated insight of Muslims like Hisblowup the contemporary Gospels are fake because he believes the book he believes in states they can't be authentic. (In actual fact, the Koran does not even say this because I've quoted multiple Koranic verses which refer to the Gospels as existing at the time of Muhammad and which order Muhammad to refer to them. Why would the Koran say to read the Gospels if they were fake? This inconvenient fact about Hisblowup's own book is something he is now trying to avoid. These gospels are the same ones we have today but Hisblowup is NOT concerned with facts.)

Written 600 years after that god of yours was crucified??? What a joke....A man with your so-called qualification, do not know that Quran-Islam, was much older? In fact, older than you can ever imagine! Your christian brothers Robert Spencer, Robert Hoyland, Tom Holland and your late sister, Patricia Crone, had carried out empirical research, proving that the history of Islam (of the 7th Century) is a hogwash! They had done a great job but unfortunately, they were just as stupid as you are OR they did found the truth in what they were seeking by going back 3 centuries earlier and in which they hide it. I have a notion it is the latter!

The Quran confirmed what is in between, support the Book! The Book meant, the Book of Moses which comprises of 2 sections (Zabur -singular; Zubur - Plural) - the Torah & Gospel. This affirm, during the ministry of the Prophet these sections of the Book of Moses were intact! The Quran prophesies an event taking place during the ministry of the Prophet, Q:02:79

So woe to those who WRITE the "Book" with their own hands, then SAY, "This is from ALLAH", in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they EARN.

The words WRITE, SAY & EARN are all written in the imperfect, meaning, an event occurred during the ministry of the Prophet! This event is none other but the Creed of Nicaea, circa 325 CE. And the Quran affirmed it in the imperfect and that is the 4th Century CE! Constantine had planned this with his Archbishop Eusebius between 272 CE to 337 CE.

Quran also confirmed in 03:78 & 06:91 - the verses are in the imperfect

And indeed, there is among them a party who ALTER the Book with their tongues so you may think it is from the BOOK, but it is not from the BOOK. And they say, "This is from ALLAH," but it is not from ALLAH. And they speak untruth about ALLAH while they know.

And they did not appraise ALLAH with true appraisal when they said, "ALLAH did not reveal to a human being anything." Say, "Who revealed the Book that Moses brought as light and guidance to the people? You make it into PARCHMENTS, OBLITERATE IT and CONCEAL MUCH. And you were taught that which you knew not - neither you nor your fathers." Say, " ALLAH." Then leave them in their [empty] discourse, amusing themselves.

From The Bible's Ungodly Origins by Robert L. Johnson, ( I quoted him because he was right to this extent)

Emperor Constantine, who was Roman Emperor from 306 CE until his death in 337 CE, used what motivates many to action - MONEY! He offered the various Church leaders MONEY to agree upon a single canon that would be used by all Christians as the word of God. The Church leaders gathered together at the Council of Nicaea and voted the "word of god" into existence. Constantine ordered and financed 50 parchment copies of the new "holy scriptures." It seems with the financial element added to the picture, the Church fathers were able to overcome their differences and finally agree which "holy" books would stay and which would go.

Emmet Scott author of "Were the Arabs conquest a Myth" mentioned Gunther Luling who believes that the Ebonites, a Judaizing sect which was declared heretical in council of Nicaea was the so called Christian group with a wide following in Arabia during the 4th to the 6th Century CE. He was wrong to a certain extent because they were not Ebonites nor were they Jews or Christians but Manicheans. These Manicheans were the followers of the TRUE Quranic Seal of the Prophets, Prophet Mani. Yes, Prophet Mani, the Islamic Prophet who migrated to South Arabia, when Bahram 1 attempted an assassination on him. Quran 09:40 confirmed this event! Histroical evidence shows the Prophet was executed. That is not true! Quranic evidence proved in 16:03 that an Aramaic speaking individual teaching an Arab the Book.

Christian Robins, recent studies of works, affirmed one of the important kingdoms in Arabia in the 4th Century CE was the Polytheist kingdom of Himyar. The kingdom was founded in the 2nd century CE, and around 380 CE the elites of the kingdom of Himyar converted to some form of Monotheism.

Evidence of Ancient South Arabian writings on wooden stick. The Quran confirmed in 63:04

And when you see them, you wonder their embodiment, and if they speak, you listen to their speech, as if they were musnad (writings on) wooden stick...........

According to Saad D. Abulhab in his writings - Roots of Modern Arabic Script:  From Musnad to Jazm

Inscriptions dated back to the 3rd century show advanced cursive Musnad forms clearly illustrating its flexibility and visual adaptation. This highly cursive script, also known as South Arabian Minuscules or popular Musnad, was utilized by ancient Yemenis to inscribe everyday documents on softer wooden sticks. See below

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According to Professor Peter Stein - University of Jena, Germany, who is the world expert on the above script; the correct rendering of the ancient text is that it is a legal document which states that a certain amount (the actual number has been left open) of Sorghum has been granted by A MAN TO FOUR WOMEN.

This is in accordance with Quran 04:03-04.....

Also see https://www.jstor.org/stable/45163432 studies written by Peter Stein and his team.

2. Let's get one thing straight: Your god allah is not the Christian God. Your allah is nothing but a demon, probably Satan himself. After all, did not a bright angel appear to your fake prophet? Here's what the New Testament says about your "revelation" agent: "God's messengers? They are counterfeits of the real thing, dishonest practitioners, "God's messengers" only by their own appointment. Nor do their tactics surprise me when I consider how Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is only to be expected that his agents shall have the appearance of ministers of righteousness—but they will get their deserts one day." (2 Corinthians 11)
There is only 1 God...but he's not the puny, fake god of Islam.

Let's not waste time.... from the late Mr Ahmad Deedat (RIP), author the Quran or the Bible

"Your god when he was in the cross, he cried out loud - Eloi Eloi LAMA SABACHTHANI - which means My God My God, why have you forsaken me? - the above is a translation from the so-called Greek manuscript "ACCORDING TO MARK". Obviously his Hebrew has a "Greek" accent because his so-called original were written in "Greek". But listen to Matthew who is supposed to have written his Gospel originally in the so-called Hebrew, which was aimed at the Israelites!

St Jerome an early Christian father of the 4th/5th centuries after JC, testifies as follows

"MATHEW, WHO IS ALSO A LEVI AND WHO FROM A PUBLICAN CAME TO BE AN APOSTLE, FIRST OF ALL THE EVANGELISTS, COMPOSED A GOSPEL OF JC IN JUDEA IN THE HEBREW LANGUAGE AND CHARACTERS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE OF THE CIRCUMCISION WHO HAD BELIEVE"

Naturally, Matthew's accent would be more Semitic (Arabic & Hebrew) than that of Mark & Luke. Matthew records the same scene as Mark 14:34 but note the variation of the dialect: Eli Eli LAMA SABACHTHANI - Pls study the words, from both Matthew and Mark, ask yourself whether these words - Eli Eli sounds like Jehovah Jehovah to you - of course NOT! if the answer if u r not DEAF DUMB or BLIND, ask again whether it sounds like "Abba abba" (meaning father, father in Arabic & Hebrew). Definitely NOT! Hey STUPID, cant u see the cry is ALLAH ALLAH / ELAH ELAH!

Unbiased christians will not fail to recognise ALLAH as none other than his - El, Eli, Alle, Elah, Alah, Allah - Call upon HIM by the name or HIS are the Most Beautiful names, as long as those names are not contaminated and as long as they do not conjure up in our minds the images of men or monkeys howsoever glorified they might have been!"

3. The Council of Nicea? You're truly parading your ignorance, son. Go and read a few books on the subject. (You do know what a book is, don't you?)

tell it to the marines grandpa.....

[I believe in God the Almighty.]

Pal, the only guy here who is lying is you. Or, alternatively, you really are a MORON. So to explain why you are an idiot I'll write very slowly so you can understand you are one.

Ad hominem - unprofessional of you with your so called qualification, i wonder where you graduated from, a disgrace to that university! The audience in this forum knows who is the LIAR....

If I say I believe Jesus (and the Holy Spirit) is God, that makes me a Trinitarian. That's what Trinitarians believe.  I don't have to say the word; all I have to do is to claim, inter alia, that Jesus is God and that makes me one. By calling Jesus God it distinguishes me from someone like, say, a Jehovah's Witness, who believes Jesus was originally an angel who became a god (note the small 'g'). (BTW, the JWs are technically called Arians, after Arius of the 3rd century, the person who was eventually condemned, after lengthy debate, at the Nicean Council, the principal reason the Council was convened in the first place.)

Believe what you want but do not try to instill your believe on someone who died more than 1800 yrs ago, that is STUPIDITY

The foundation of Christianity, such as the Trinity, have no origin in the NT. The article of faith up until the end of the 4th century CE was:

I believe in God the Almighty.

(Articles of the Apostolic Creed, Theodore Zahn, p. 33-37)

So, to clearly evince why you are an idiot, I'll requote Irenaeus' words:

1."For I have shown from the Scriptures, that no one of the sons of Adam[/b] is as to everything, and absolutely, called God, or named Lord. But that He is Himself in His own right, beyond all men who ever lived, God, and Lord, and King Eternal, and the Incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles, and by the Spirit Himself, may be seen by all who have attained to even a small portion of the truth...humbled Himself even to death and that He is the holy Lord, the Wonderful, the Counsellor, the Beautiful in appearance, and the Mighty God, coming on the clouds as the Judge of all men; all these things did the Scriptures prophesy of Him." (Against Heresies, Book 3, ch. 19, v. 2)

Your words not Irenaeus. He was born at a time where Christianity was never in existence - (with Quranic & historical evidences). So please do not try to instill unprofessional work ethics, it only makes you a liar!!!

2. "[T]o raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, "every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess" to Him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all" (Ibid., 1:10:1)

3. "Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the God of the living, who spake to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers." (Ibid., 4:5:2)

Off course, Polytheist ideology = HINDUISM - you are no difference with the hindus....

You have an audience don't forget. You claimed Irenaeus was a Muslim because he did not believe Jesus was God. Over and over again he unambiguously states that he believes Jesus is God. You are wrong but are still so childish and full of uneducated arrogance you won't admit you are in error.

Remind yourself, they are watching you, you came to this forum with your uneducated, narcissistic personality disorder, arrogance and unprofessional ethics, condemning everyone with your ad hominem, who do you think you are? Is this the way to propagate your failed so called religion?

BTW, you are in error because you lack the skill, desire and, most importantly, the honesty to check your sources to see if they are accurate. You cut a very, very sad and pathetic figure, son.

You are the one who is in grave error and not only that, you failed to provide one verse from the Gospel Of Jesus, which i have been asking you for several times. You  failed to check all those sources which btw came from people who was of much better status then you! You are nothing compare to them!

You an unprofessional, uneducated, pathetic liar with a narcissistic personality disorder. Go see a psychiatrist

[Where is the Gospel of Jesus, the one Paul received?]

1. Where is any copy of this "injeel" now?

Where is the Gospel of Jesus, the one Paul received?

2. What evidence is there that there was an injeel different from the Gospels before and/or at the time of Muhammad?

Evidence - Check Galatian 1. The difference is, the Injeel was from and according to God while the Gospels were according to 4 men - Mathew Mark Luke and John...

3. How come your god couldn't stop people tampering with and destroying it?

My God? There is no such things as my God or your God, there is ONLY ONE GOD - OUR CREATOR!

4. How logistically could a man or group of men go all the way around the world, to every nook and cranny, to every church, home, library, king's palace, monastery, university, rich man's house...and steal the "original" 1000's of injeels and replace it with a fake one OR alter its words? How could this occur and no one get caught or there be no one waking up in the morning going, "Hey, who's been altering my injeel?"

After the Creed of Nicea, circa 4th Century CE, (the Official era where christianity was inaugurated) those who approved of this outrageous creed decided that all gospels not in agreement with the creed should be burned. It became a capital offence to possess an unauthorized gospel. Those who were caught with the authentic Gospels were executed. A law pass down by the PAGAN ROMAN EMPEROR!

Not this one, as Irenaeus was a Muslim

First off, YOU ARE A LIAR and off course an illiterate, - Irenaeus did not said he was a Trinitarian, you said it!!! And as per Quran 02:62, 22:17 anyone who believes in ONE GOD IS A MUSLIM - THE CONCEPT OF MONOTHEISM.....

2nd, and you cannot provide what i wanted, thank u for showing me the lack of knowledge in your so called discipline

[FROM THE SAME SLICED UP Book IV, CHAPTER XX:2]

Hisblowup,

I didn't think you could demonstrate your ignorance more than what you've previously shown...but "Irenaeus was a Muslim"? You must be getting so desperate to claw back some points from me and to win cred from your Muslim buddies here that you'll try and make people believe Irenaeus was a Muslim. How whacky! How so obviously stupid!

Every educated Christian knows Irenaeus was a Trinitarian. Why do we know this? Because, unlike you whose education level is minimal and takes the easy way out by cutting and pasting without reading the text, we actually read his works.

If you had taken a moment out from your self-imposed Muslim ignorance and checked the reference from Irenaeus' original writings, you'd have read the verses after, before, and elsewhere to know he held Jesus to be fully God. Shame on you lying Muslim you, for here are the other sentences FROM THE SAME SLICED UP Book IV, CHAPTER XX:2 you've dishonestly and ignorantly borrowed, without any attempt at further investigation.

"Likewise does the Lord also say: "All things are delivered to Me by My Father" manifestly by Him who made all things; for He did not deliver to Him the things of another, but His own. But in all things nothing has been kept back [from Him], and for this reason the same person is the Judge of the living and the dead; "having the key of David: He shall Open, and no man shall shut: He shall shut, and no man shall open." For no one was able, either in heaven or in earth, or under the earth, to open the book of the Father, or to behold Him, with the exception of the Lamb who was slain, and who redeemed us with His own blood, receiving power over all things from the same God who made all things by the Word, and adorned them by [His] Wisdom, when "the Word was made flesh; "that even as the Word of God had the sovereignty in the heavens, so also might He have the sovereignty in earth, inasmuch as [He was] a righteous man, "who did no sin, neither was there found guile in His mouth; " and that He might have the pre-eminence over those things which are under the earth, He Himself being made "the first-begotten of the dead; " and that all things, as I have already said, might behold their King; and that the paternal light might meet with and rest upon the flesh of our Lord, and come to us from His resplendent flesh, and that thus man might attain to immortality, having been invested with the paternal light."

To show that you are even more uneducated and too lazy to carry a simple search about Irenaeus' theology, here is a sample:

1.   "For I have shown from the Scriptures, that no one of the sons of Adam is as to everything, and absolutely, called God, or named Lord. But that He is Himself in His own right, beyond all men who ever lived, God, and Lord, and King Eternal, and the Incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles, and by the Spirit Himself, may be seen by all who have attained to even a small portion of the truth...humbled Himself even to death and that He is the holy Lord, the Wonderful, the Counsellor, the Beautiful in appearance, and the Mighty God, coming on the clouds as the Judge of all men; all these things did the Scriptures prophesy of Him." (Against Heresies, Book 3, ch. 19, v. 2)

2.   "He, therefore, who was known, was not a different being from Him who declared "No man knoweth the Father," but one and the same, the Father making all things subject to Him; while He received testimony from all that He was very man, and that He was very God, from the Father, from the Spirit, from angels, from the creation itself, from men, from apostate spirits and demons, from the enemy, and last of all, from death itself. But the Son, administering all things for the Father, works from the beginning even to the end, and without Him no man can attain the knowledge of God. For the Son is the knowledge of the Father; but the knowledge of the Son is in the Father, and has been revealed through the Son; and this was the reason why the Lord declared: "No man knoweth the Son, but the Father; nor the Father, save the Son, and those to whomsoever the Son shall reveal [Him]." (Ibid., 4:6:7)

3.   "[T]o raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, "every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess" to Him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all" (Ibid., 1:10:1)

4.   "Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the God of the living, who spake to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers." (Ibid., 4:5:2)

5.   "His birth from a virgin, and His essence, that He is God (for the name Emmanuel indicates this)." (Ibid., 3:21:4)

Here's a personal plea. Please, please, do not attend university. I pity the poor lecturer trying to teach someone like you who is so ignorant they actually think they're knowledgeable.

And Jesus cried My God My God Why have you forsaken me???

A god cried and ask for succour from his God??? Please explain

How can he be someone who died for the sins of mankind if he is not ready to die??? Please explain

And also give me the exergies of Galatian 1: 6 to 12 (no nonsense pls)

And where is the Gosple of Jesus as per Paul? Be honest and stop lying!!!