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General Issues / Questions / The example of the sons of Adam...
« on: September 06, 2021, 05:48:21 PM »
I am confused on why the son of Adam did not defend himself against his brother's intent to kill, when throughout the Quran The God tells us to fight/defend those who fight against you.

...If you extend your hand towards me to kill me, I will not extend my hand to you to kill you: for I fear Allah, the Lord of the Universe. I want you to leave with the sin of killing me and with your own sin: then you will be among the people of the Fire. This is the reward of the unjust. His soul made him kill his brother. So he killed him and became one of the losers. S5:V27-30

Is it more righteous to not reciprocate like the son of Adam did? Or am I missing something?


North America / Anyone in Houston,TX or in the surrounding area?
« on: July 25, 2021, 03:01:10 AM »
Peace everyone,

I am curious to know if there is any Houstonians on this site, or around the surrounding cities. Please let me know, it would be great to eventually get together with other believers in person, God willing.


General Issues / Questions / Re: Messengers amoung us?
« on: July 24, 2021, 07:30:52 AM »

I absolutely don't agree with your explanation of the two crucial verses.. 43:61 and 61:06...

Isa is not the sign/knowledge of the hour... That's your imagination... Read the verse with its merit and grammar and ponder...

Further messenger to come after Isa has already come for children of Israel.. Who was he is not important but he came and they rejected him....

If you don't agree let me explain further..

Peace Jkhan,

Thank you for sharing your perspective, I appreciate it. You made some valid points. 😊


General Issues / Questions / Re: Messengers amoung us?
« on: July 24, 2021, 01:22:08 AM »
Salaam LetTheTruthBeTold,
It could be among us today, but I haven't seen any. Same with you, only proclaimed messengers but not support each other.

But I believe that there will come a messenger named Ahmad as told by the Rasul Isa son of Maryam,

61:6   And when Isa, son of Maryam said: "O children of Israel, I am a messenger of God to you, affirming what is between my hands of the Torah and bringing good news of a messenger to come after me whose name will be AHMAD.'" But when he showed them the clear proofs, they said: "This is clearly magic."

He will come at the end of time, because the vision of Isa son of Maryam is about things that will happen in the last days, as told in the following verse,

43:61   And he <Isa son of Maryam> was a knowledge for the Hour. So have no doubt about it. And follow Me; this is a straight path.

and a lot of story in the book of revelation. I also believe the book of Isaiah also support this.

Isaiah 42:1-4

Behold! My Servant, Ahmad (whom I uphold); My Elect One, in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry out, nor raise His voice, nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall He not break, and smoking flax shall He not quench. In truth He shall bring forth justice. 4He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till He has established justice in the earth; and the islands shall wait for His law.

In Hebrew, whom I uphold is (Etmokh) אחמד means Ahmad. You can paste it in google translate. I believe they made changes to their book because of inter-religious hatred.

They may think like most people that the Ahmad referred to in verse 61:6 is the Prophet Muhammad, so leaving Ahmad in Isaiah is tantamount to "acknowledging the truth of the Prophet Muhammad".

Ahmad in the verse is not prophet Muhammad, because even though they both came after the prophet Isa, prophet Muhammad did not live in the last days, while the vision of Isa son of Maryam was covering the things that will happen at the end of time as told in 43:61

If you familiar with the Apocrypha books  you might be notice that in the Enoch's dream vision said that there will be a sheep with a great horn who will stand tall against evil until the day of judgment.

The Book of Enoch
Chapter XC

6. But behold lambs were borne by those white sheep, and they began to open their eyes and to see, and to cry to the sheep.
7. Yea, they cried to them, but they did not hearken to what they said to them, but were exceedingly deaf, and their eyes were very exceedingly blinded.
8. And I saw in the vision how the ravens flew upon those lambs and took one of those lambs, and dashed the sheep in pieces and devoured them.
9. And I saw till horns grew upon those lambs, and the ravens cast down their horns; and I saw till there sprouted a great horn of one of those sheep, and their eyes were opened.
10. And it looked at them [and their eyes opened], and it cried to the sheep, and the rams saw it and all ran to it.
11. And notwithstanding all this those eagles and vultures and ravens and kites still kept tearing the sheep and swooping down upon them and devouring them: still the sheep remained silent, but the rams lamented and cried out.
12. And those ravens fought and battled with it and sought to lay low its horn, but they had no power over it.

at first, I could recognize this dream vision parable fable style, only from Adam up to prophet Musa and Isa, and still confused for the remaining story. But now I do believe that this last sheep standing is Rasul Ahmad. Rasul that I'm waiting for, who will fight injustice and mark the era of the end times.

I'm sure he doesn't come to give the best interpretation of the Al Quran, or to judge the issues that are often debated by fellow Quranists in here, but he will fight against injustice.

Honestly in my heart I wish I could meet him, support him, and join him.


Peace Tilhawa,

Thank you for this thorough response  :)
This is an interesting perspective. I will definitely look into this.


General Issues / Questions / Re: Messengers amoung us?
« on: July 23, 2021, 10:22:48 AM »
Salam, that is my understanding that this ayat is referencing the relatively few truly guided people in our society that publicly call to Allah swt.

Not related to this ayat but a truly guided individual also can gain knowledge from weak believers and even non believer during debate and discussion. One of the rare and hard earned traits of believers is that they can sift through falsehood and pick out the truth. So even a discussion with an atheist, a believer can find the nuggets of truth in their argument and strengthen their Iman. Every interaction with other people is a direct guidance from Allah swt. So we should look out for the signs from Allah in every interaction.

Peace Spoducas, thank you for your reply.

You know what is interesting? I have met 4 proclaimed messengers, and I have not had one them support the other. Each one of them was denying the other messengerahip. Wouldnt you find this to be odd?

Peace ✌

I also think there are messengers amoung us, but I am bit confused on how to approach this situation, when I, already have the Quran. Please feel free to share your thoughts, thank you.

General Issues / Questions / Messengers amoung us?
« on: July 22, 2021, 06:28:00 PM »
Peace everyone...

O Children of Adam! When messengers of your own come unto you who narrate unto you My revelations, then whosoever refraineth from evil and amendeth - there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.

Do you understand this verse to mean that there will be messengers amoung us today, and forevermore till the end of time?

General Issues / Questions / Re: What is Idle/Vain Talk?
« on: July 21, 2021, 10:58:03 AM »
Thank you Good Logic and Jkhan for your responses, very much appreciated 👍.

General Issues / Questions / What is Idle/Vain Talk?
« on: July 21, 2021, 05:41:37 AM »
Peace everyone, I hope all of you are doing well.

What is your understanding of vain/idle speech?

Is vain/idle speech just a category which mocking, slandering, gossip, etc, falls into? Or is it a form of evil speech in its own class?

Thank you, peace.

Because Tauwrat, Zabur and Injeel do not reference religious books, that is the corruption, to claim they do.

Peace Abdun Nur,

Can you please elaborate more on your position, I am intrigued. Thank you.

Quran is not telling us to let followers of Al-Injeel to decide as per their book but they were to decide as per their book when it was revealed to them. Please read 5:46-47 together to see what they mean.

وَقَفَّيۡنَا عَلَىٰٓ ءَاثَـٰرِهِم بِعِيسَى ٱبۡنِ مَرۡيَمَ مُصَدِّقً۬ا لِّمَا بَيۡنَ يَدَيۡهِ مِنَ ٱلتَّوۡرَٮٰةِ‌ۖ وَءَاتَيۡنَـٰهُ ٱلۡإِنجِيلَ فِيهِ هُدً۬ى وَنُورٌ۬ وَمُصَدِّقً۬ا لِّمَا بَيۡنَ يَدَيۡهِ مِنَ ٱلتَّوۡرَٮٰةِ وَهُدً۬ى وَمَوۡعِظَةً۬ لِّلۡمُتَّقِينَ (٤٦)

And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.

 وَلۡيَحۡكُمۡ أَهۡلُ ٱلۡإِنجِيلِ بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ فِيهِ‌ۚ وَمَن لَّمۡ يَحۡڪُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ فَأُوْلَـٰٓٮِٕكَ هُمُ ٱلۡفَـٰسِقُونَ
so that let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah revealed therein. And whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed - then it was those who were the defiantly disobedient.

Peace Novice,

So you are saying that 5:47-48 is referring to the people of the Injeel during the time of Jesus, and not during the time of Mohammad? Thanks.

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