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Peace,

Thank you Neptin and jkhan for the clarifications.

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Peace,

It's seems to be nabi Muhammad who married her. As i understand when reading those translations.
I remember having read it discussed in other forums ( i wonder if they still exist). It is admitted that the nabi married Zayd's ex wife in order to show the example.
From verse 37 we can understand this marriage was to put an end to the discomfort the believers feeled about the idea to marry an adopted son's wife. Maybe seen as immoral.

I also read criticism about it ( Muhammad inventing this in order to marry a woman he wanted...speculations), which disturbed me at that time.


I'm sorry but I have another question:

33:36 It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should thereafter have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error.

Do/Did Allah and his messenger decide matters together ? That idea is quite disturbing to me. Laws decided by Allah and his messenger (mutually decided) ?
I don't understand.


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There is truth and falsehood, which we can face in our life, some times we know what is what before hand, most times we dont know, If the truth the reality comes from God, the unreality or falsehood that we take from the entity I call Jinn.

In modern world there are so many falsehoods that spread, so many false claims, that attract people more than the reality,
I agree and like what Brother Ayman proposes, in a way our own fantasies makes us believe and fall for these falsehoods,  in a way many people do not like the simple truth, instead go after the big falsehoods, like our television  for TRP pushes up all the exaggerated lies to the people. And see how imaginary enemies and entities are being created now for example the ISIS, its not only the fault of those spreading these, but naivety  of the people believing these and fall for these,  instead of the simple real truth that will be hidden from them due to their misguidance.

I agree.
And I think that some people gives interpretations of what they experienced as strange with their belief. That why we found different interpretaions in different cultures or belief. And they are people who wnat to believe those interpretations without seeking the reason or just admit they can explain it to confort their belief.
The truth is that we don't know unless we have a proof. Admitting something asserted by other without investigating is not reasonning.
Sometimes we really want to accept something because it confort our belief.
Maybe we should open a topic about this. As Jkhan said : "I don't want to shift this topic to another.."
(I know that Imran started to talk about personnal experience).

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Peace everyone,

Ayman your statements must be based on all the verses dealing with the subject. You only used a few of them, some short verses ( what about the above and the following ?)
In all occurences of "jin", can you replace this word with "fantasies" ?

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Sourate 112
« on: July 23, 2020, 04:36:38 AM »
Peace Houriya,

I  understand that :

1) God is one (no other gods)
2) for "samad" we can find also those meanings: solid, strong, resistant, something that do not die, to go up ( move on) to someone...
alsamadou, with the article al: so I think God in the only one who is samad i;e that doesn't die, is eternal, the strong.
3) He doesn't have offspring like animals, human beings and He is not a child of someone. Allah does not beget, He creates.
4) No one, nothing is equal to Him, has his powers. We can't ask someone or something for something that only God can do. We can't create like Him, we only can make things from what God created/creates. We can't attribute to Him something that someone fabricated, we don't have to say God said this thing ( and turns out that it wasn't from Him).

I act as I understand those verses and try to never say Allah said that without checking the verse. Otherwise I say " I understand from the Koran that..." , I tend to say to someone "don't say what you're not sure about ..." or " I am not sure about it, you've heard it but one have to check". I ask God to forgive me because I can mistake. I don't say  to someone " that is haram or hallal" without being sure.
I am a person who prefer to remain silent rather than to risk to say lies about God. I consider myself as someone who have a lot to learn and can have doubts.

(Comme tu parles le français, voici un site qui regroupe des traductions de versets et des traductions de sens mot à mot (vérifier aussi par soi-même si possible). Le lien vers la sourate en question: http://coran-seul.com/index.php/verset?sourate=112&verset=1)

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Verses 2.143- 145
« on: July 22, 2020, 01:51:45 PM »
Salam Fadiva,

The Book was still being revealed at this time in stages, so there is no way for any follower of the Prophet to have the same holistic view that we have today. Even the Prophet himself was at some point trying to second guess what the Quran would tell him (see 75:16). The faith of the early believers needed to be far more intense than the later believers.

I am sure based on the logic and flow of the commands. Otherwise, we would all be stuck with the 'trial qibla' until the Day of Judgement (which makes no sense as it had served its purpose).

Peace Layth, 

Wasn't it about those who had the other Book ( prior to al Quran) ? "Those who were given the Scripture" " Those to whom we gave the Scripture", the translators used the simple past.  So if the translations are correct it is more likely about people who already had a Book from God ( previous to al Quran), isn't it ?

I'm not as sure as you. I need more knowledge and it isn't easy.

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Verses 2.143- 145
« on: July 22, 2020, 01:33:34 PM »
Peace Fadiva,

Please see below post from hafeez kazi about al-masjid al-haram, You may check the complete thread here:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7710.msg13732#msg13732

Peace Someone,

Thanks for the link, I will read it later inchaa Allah.

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Verses 2.143- 145
« on: July 10, 2020, 03:37:58 PM »
Salam,


Wakas,
Thanks.
I have only read the 7 first pages of your article, I hope to be able to comment after reading it entirely.
(I had also noticed the use of him/it in verse 146 'know him/it as they know their own sons" wondering what was it about)

Layth,

"2. Qibla is Shifted away from Jerusalem - as a test to distinguish the faithful."
Ok, but how can people  who have the Book of God trust a man that shows them another qiblah ? (unless it is mentioned in this Book).

"4. Qibla should have shifted back to Jerusalem after Mohammed's death (2:144 is specific to Mohammed, without him, 2:125 would dominate)."

Are you sure of this ? Any clue ?

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Verses 2.143- 145
« on: July 08, 2020, 02:22:13 PM »
Salam,

How do you understand those verses ?
 ( I quoted sahih international translation, I checked other translations, and found the same meanings ( more or less) and took them into consideration)
2.143
Sahih International: And thus we have made you a just community that you will be witnesses over the people and the Messenger will be a witness over you. And We did not make the qiblah which you used to face except that We might make evident who would follow the Messenger from who would turn back on his heels. And indeed, it is difficult except for those whom Allah has guided. And never would Allah have caused you to lose your faith. Indeed Allah is, to the people, Kind and Merciful.

Did Allah change the qiblah ( direction ?) ?

2.144
Sahih International: We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.

And chose a qiblah tnat pleased the messenger ?

2.145
Sahih International: And if you brought to those who were given the Scripture every sign, they would not follow your qiblah. Nor will you be a follower of their qiblah. Nor would they be followers of one another's qiblah. So if you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, indeed, you would then be among the wrongdoers.

2.146
Sahih International: Those to whom We gave the Scripture know him as they know their own sons. But indeed, a party of them conceal the truth while they know [it]

Those who have been given the scripture knew the truth refused to follow Muhammad's qiblah and have several qiblah.
So they knew the truth from their Book and refused to follow the messenger's qiblah ( that has changed (?)) and some of them concealed the truth.
If  we consider that the qiblah has changed ( understood this after reading several translations into French), this is different from what they have in their Book ( and they knew the truth from it)... I am quite confused 


There is one Qiblah that everyone should follow, and it is a physical direction here (understanding).

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Peace,

I haven't visited the link you gave but we had ( still have ?) the same in French.

I remember having read some of the so callend Quran's scientific miracles several years ago in French site and forum. Most of them were verse manipulation (mostly cut verses and "new" translation of  a few words) and even the scientific resaerch articles were manipulated.
Those manipulations were easily refuted by both non muslims and  some muslims.
I noted that some muslims believed them without checking the Quran. At this time, I really thought that some muslims can easily believe what is sent by others muslims.


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