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peace, & same to you

To me, submission is believing/knowing/acknowledging (the fact) that everything is by God, and hence orienting one's life accordingly. And God has sent down guidance.

For example, being thankful is a form of submission.
Taking this very moment of reading & writing, being aware that I'm able to do/experience/enjoy it only because God created/made all these arrangements (life, humans, brains/minds, eyes, hands, languages, the pleasure of seeking &acquiring knowledge etc).. Like that, being (or trying to be) aware & thankful always.

I also count year solar, but when you say 30 lunar cycles = 870 days (or lunar cycle is 29 days), it contradicts with what we observe in reality / what God has arranged.

God mentions Moon phases from new moon, not from full moon. i.e. islamic timing system starts (e.g. for hajj) with new moon itself (enter houses from the doors).

I hope it's not confusing. Time for hajj starts with the new moon of first month of the well known /inviolable /restricted months. i.e. unlike in the article, one can choose any set of days within these months.

Peace Noon,

I read your article a bit late, interesting observation, & thanks for sharing.

Could you tell why you say lunar cycle is exactly 29 days ? (Why not >29 or ~29.5).
12 lunar cycles take around 354/355 days. So thalathuna shahr would be >870 days ?

Peace all,

I believe in miracles (e.g. Conversion of stick into snake), there's nothing wrong with miracles, if one believes in an almighty creator. God may still do it, if necessary.
I think most of these metaphorizing translators are not consistent with their interpretation of all miracles in the Qur'an. For example, prophet Yusuf interpreted/predicted future events. And most of these translators (if not all) agree with it.
Is it scientifically proven that a human can interpret future events correctly? He even interpreted/predicted the exact no. of years? how?

And in 2:260, since there is no killing of birds in the Arabic Qur'an, I'm not of the traditional view. I'm not denying the possibility entirely, but there's no evidence in the Qur'an that God showed him reviving the dead literally.

We may think miracles, jinn etc. are against physical laws / modern science, but are not contrary to God's uniqueness/attributes described in the Qur'an.

Waxing crescent Moon - The intermediate Moon phase comes after New Moon

But I consider New Moon as a part of crescent Moon.

There are 2 crescent moons in each lunar month:

Yeah, but there are several phases of crescent moons in a lunar cycle.

Waxing crescent Moon - The intermediate Moon phase comes after New Moon and lasts until half of the Moon's visible surface is illuminated at First Quarter Moon.
Waning crescent Moon - Starts just after the Third Quarter Moon and lasts until the following New Moon.
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/moon/waxing-crescent.html

There's no "islamic timing system"; time is time.

islamic systems or islamic timing system = what the infinite creator has set for His human servants (or probably for all other creatures too) to accomplish their worldly life. God was teaching people the same system that Abraham followed, through Muhammad. But there could be time to time change/updation in Guidance.

I wonder how you come to conclusion that el-ehillet are the crescent moons?

it occurs only once in the Qur'an, and Arabic lexicons give crescent moons or new moons. I think both the meanings fit here.

And why would anybody ask (or better: keep on asking, due to imperfect used) about the crescent moon or any moon?

They were not familiar with islamic systems, here, islamic tyming system and which is based on Sun and Moon (10:5).
Please see all other places/contexts where this phrase (yas-alunaka) is used.

From what you said you have a problem with 2 crescent moon which last a few days every lunar month. So, "Hatta `aade" in 36:39 for you should be the time when the moon is going to fully disappear (become invisible, ie. be a new moon)? If I understood what you wanted to say, the lunar month starts before new moon (from last quarter to new moon, which is crescent phase), not with new moon, right?

No, lunar month starts with new moon.
In short, as per 36:39 God mentions Moon phases from new moon, not from full moon. i.e. islamic tyming system starts (e.g. for hajj) with newmoon itself (enter houses from the doors).

That article was discussed over 262 pages:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0

And if you dont want to read 250+ pages, I did it for you, and gave my views here:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg388725#msg388725

Thanks for the links. Yeah, unlike with ashhur(consecutive fullmoons), it doesn't make sense with singular.

Peace,

There seems an issue with this article on shahr/timing
(I don't know this is already discussed, I searched the forum but didn't find)

From the article:
We also know from 2:189 that we should come into houses from the obvious front doors and not from the obscure backs. This hints to us that the "7ajj"/debate starts with the obvious full moon and that the unobvious crescent is what ends the "7ajj"/debate.

But 36:39 says:
And the moon we have measured it to appear in stages, until it returns like an old curved sheath.

Since it says "until it returns" (see ʿāda in 2:275 & 5:95) it implies that the moon becomes what it was in the beginning (it's initial shape, like an old curved sheath). So in 2:189 when God says we should come into houses from the doors/entrances not from the back, it hints to us to enter into the lunar cycles/months (shuhur) from the front/start/newmoon, not from other stages.

2:189
They ask you about the crescent moons. Say, "They are markers of time for mankind and for the hajj." It is not piety that you should come to houses from their rear, but piety is he who is reverent and comes into houses by their doors/entrances. So reverence God, that you may succeed.

So crescent moons serve as timing devices for the start and end of shuhur (including the lunar months for hajj).