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Smile, good logic, some things are too funny to get angry or even mildly disappointed. That, I feel is the part we "blind faithers" can enjoy. Reminds of the old joke which a can never get right, of the ant climbing up the elephantess leg with raping intentions.

This basically summarizes what Mazhar and many other here are all about. Seeking refuge in their small harem, where women are captives and sex-slaves (who are incapable of making their own decisions and are deprieved of their feminine wisdom and intuition, seeking protection from their lords) and men are eunuchs (who are deprieved of their masculine characteristics, such as logic and willpower). The harem itself is a veil which covers their mind with age old dogmas and blind faith and their underage sarcasm is a defensive mechanism of their psyche, which is a fortress of their on-going delusion.

[good logic]

Peace Makaveli.
You need to know why Qoran tells you stories then you will see that "copied the stories" comes nowhere near.
You will also see that the Qoran s stories and the so called "original copies" differ for a good reason.
You will also deduce that GOD s story is the true version. Simply because GOD does not do lying or errors.

Present the difference and how Ibrahim idol shop or the Seven sleepers are exactly different from their historical counterparts?


Why would someone even bother replying when he has nothing constructive to say in response?

I underestimated you, good logic, your problem is way more severe than I have originally predicted.

16:103
We are fully aware that they say, "A human being is teaching him!" The tongue of the source they hint at is non-Arabic, and this is a perfect Arabic tongue.
وَلَقَد نَعلَمُ أَنَّهُم يَقولونَ إِنَّما يُعَلِّمُهُ بَشَرٌ لِسانُ الَّذى يُلحِدونَ إِلَيهِ أَعجَمِىٌّ وَهٰذا لِسانٌ عَرَبِىٌّ مُبينٌ

اعجمي - imprecise speech in general, not related to Arabic or any other language, root ayn-jiim-miim

مبين - disunion, two halves disunified and deluded in dualism, root ba-ya-nun, why it becomes "clear" or "understanding" is because originally this root comes from word, which symbolised a tent and a tent was divided into two halves, masculine and feminine, so each gender could "understand" where her or his tent is.

عربي - mixed, exchanging, merchandize, is not related to Modern Standard Arabic. Arabian Peninsula was named by Greek and Roman travellers, and not the "arabs" themselves, who originally, living in South Arabia, constituted a wide range of different Semitic-speaking tribes.

Again, jinn, en-geel, and more than 700 words are not of Arabic origin in the Qur'an.

The only ones who fabricate false doctrines/false stories are those who do not believe in God's revelations; they are the real liars.

Yes, and you should really be cautious over what you say, do, or think. As of now I see a load of compost coming from your thoughts, which you genuinely believe to be true and sinsere understanding.

And what the Quran القران‎ means I am not disclosing, earn such disclosure for yourself.

I am not responding to good logic anymore. I feel that this is counterproductive and leads myself into useless argument, something I try to avoid.

Feel free to work at Ministry of Truth where they juggle notes and verses and newspaper fronts as their every day practice.

You have some psychological problem and some delusions. Better consult a psychiatrist. First tell him what you perceive from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

What is my psychological problem and where am I deluded? Perhaps it is you who should consult a psychologist to find out the root cause of your mindless tractates which is nothing but a worthless diatribe, which you claim to be "historical" or "scientific" work.

I already gave you a definition of narcisstic behavior. It is plain and simple, an incapability of showing mercy and feeling empathy towards suffering of other human beings, which an archonic (based on hierarchy and control) ruler by definition is, as opposite to the leader, who suffers the same scenario as people who trust their lives to him.

Your dualism and deception prevent you from understanding it. This is why you keep parroting random verses you have no understanding of.

Why? Because you were decieved, was lost in your spiritual guidance, got dissapointed with mainstream Islam, but since you still needed a spiritual guidance you entered the book-worship bandwagon. I give you hints that the book you deem as "absolutely clear" is in fac the answer to your suffering and stupidity. But since it is obvious how illogical you sound, means you did not grasp the meaning of the book, your delusion does not cease. Start with basmallh, and think why it appears at the beggining of the chapters. But you will probably ignore my words.

[good logic]

They have set up many theories claiming it is proper Scientific research . Like Mosques were facing Petra, Qoran dates back to the 1 st/2nd Century, original language of Qoran was not Arabic, Stories of Qoran have been copied from various old sources...etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_and_the_Idol_Shop - Talmud

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Sleepers - Ancient Greece, Jacob of Serugh (c. 450 ? 521),

And countless of other examples.

You argument, besides "everything is already "explained" in the Quran, no need to find out anything"?

Also, what is Arabic? The product of the 8th century based on Old South "Arabic" (Ephiopian) script/alphabet? Why in such a case is word jinn meaning "invisible, spirit", of Persian origin, or Injeel is a calque from Ancient Greek eu'angelos?

There is no need for history or Mohammed s sayings or anybody else s saying

I see, there is no need for anything useful of a study or sound analysis. And that person who for some reason calls himself good logic told me about "fact checking".

If you could even undestand what muhammad stands for...but you won't with a veil over your face, because there is no need for you to understand.

[already past the point when Quran was available]

Peace, depends on the time-frame since all scripts evolve with basic dots then vocal marks, etc.

1. The grammar and diacritics were added by :

Ibn Abi Ishaq - died AD 735 / AH 117 - how many years after the supposed revelation of the Quran?

This means early Quranic palimsets were not even diacritized in accordance with modern grammar rules, which emerged in 8th century. but were simply vowelized as they saw fit by that time.

2. Birmingham and Saan'a manuscripts were radiocarbonnaly dated to 585-633, which is a high probabily Quran was available LONG before any Arabic language even existed.

3. PERF588 has nothing to do with the Qur'an and belongs to the end of the first half of the 7th century, when according to common history these letters were added in the so called Arabic calligraphy, taken from Old South Arabic, in which PERF588 takes its written tradition.

4. There is no indication and instead quite a varity of factors which tell Quran originated in Petrea region, where Nabbatean language was dominating, i..e pure abjad with 22 letters;

5. Again, The schools of Basra and Kufa further developed grammatical rules in the late 8th century with the rapid rise of Islam.

6. There are no dots in the Bigmingham copy. Black dots are seen unnaturally small, which looks more like a scholarly test, rather than a decicive vowelization, and red dots were obviously added later, something both me and people stuyding the palimset agree with;

7. Quran mentions Allat and AlUzza, the goddesses which were worshipped in Assyria and Petrea, but not the Southern Arabia;

8. Quran itself is a vast body of religious literature which is unlikely to pop out of the bedouin hellhole called South Arabia;

9. 6 additional letters were added to modern Arabic calligraphy as far as the first half of the 7th century, yet they were available before in Old South Arabic, however,

10. Arabic alphabet evolved either from the Nabataean,[1][2] or (less widely believed) directly from the Syriac. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Arabic_alphabet#Origins

That means that the 22 letters of the ABJAD order did not include 6-7 additional of the Old South Arabic, and were added as close as the first half of the 7th century, which is already past the point when Quran was available.

1. was practice some new skins others reused skins
2. they used red dots end 10 verses marker as well
3. numerous black dots too, no need to dot obvious

1. If you could re-connect your brain and unplug it out of the place it currently is connected to and then re-read my posts, you would see that I have already explained why the text was washed off and written again. Because it is a bad schooling copy and was used when the language was not even developed, that is why not all pages have dots and the language itself they could not decide at the time, which tradition does it refer to, the North or the South.
2. So?
3. Oh really? There are none in 20:1-2, but you can deny all you want.

you knowingly and/or blind and/or ignorant possibly all three!
perf 558 also has dots on the letters ج خ ذ ز ش ن in year 643 CE!

likewise ش in شهر is enough to destroy the whole "hypothesis".

Do you have problems with basic logic and reason? I am not gonna repeat about PERF558, it has no use and is already written by the end of the first half of 7th century, which I said numerous time, already is believed was time when additional letters were introduced. How is it related to the Quran which has none of them except the "later added red dots"? 

Narcissists Personality Disorder does not mean and refer every ruler. Just first study it in some psychology book.

Oh yes it does. Anyone who is capable of ruling others by force is narcissistic and a psychopath, who per definition is incapable of empathy towards suffering of other humans. Since you have a veil over your mind and a slave mentality you still dualistically divide "bad" and "good" rulers. If you could understand the Quran you wouldn't.

The problem of many people, a disaster, is dualism, which is a form of shirk, like it or not. But the longer you abide in your castrated worldview and deception the longer it will take for you to realize what is the core problem of your thinking and useless tractates which bear no historical or religious purpose and are a product of mindless verse juggling, made of combining random verses, which are not contextually consistent, and using own flawed logic to impose a meaning on such a mixture.

I actually had to split his non-sense in few halves. This is becoming ridiculous.

Thereat, despite deliverance most of them after having seen it (Qur’ān) have purposely abstained adhering it. Thereby, they people persistently listen not. [41:04]

Look at definition of kafara when you get time, and then look at the mirror.

It is a fact: it (Qur’ān) is certainly the relay of the exalted Messenger  [69:40]

Nothing about a Qur'an in in. You inject words on a freely basis, eh?

Another type of texts, difficult to interpret at the time of narration and writing, are statements of soothsayers - prognosticators. Qur’ān is easy to interpret because it is not a discourse narrated by a soothsayer - prognosticator:

O really? Interpret me 90:1, make it an easy interpretation.

No..instead, he simply parrots verses because it tells him:

And neither it (Qur’ān) is an Oral and written expression of a soothsayer - prognosticator.

Yet little is that you people try self retaining and comprehending it. [69:42]

Indeed it (Grand Qur’ān) is certainly a conclusive verbal statement characteristically elaborate, organized, differentiating and delineating, contrasting and isolating each element rendering it crystal clear. [86:13]

The verse has nothing of what you just listed.

Grand Qur’ān illustrates in a unique way by the choice of such words whereby it produces images and describes events as if they were happening in front of the reader. Its vivid descriptions portray image in such manner as if it were being displayed in a live recording. The reader feels watching the past and future events visually.

You do not know what are you talking about.

But certain people for reason are debarred even understanding the surface meanings of the text.

Yes, they think it is a historical book, and do not even understand the definition let alone a purpose of the Quran. Poor folk.

A man with a little common sense and IQ would realize that Qur'aan is a non-fiction book. Nothing symbolical and mystical.

Really? What's the point of 35:1, 2:34? Come on, one short answer from you for both verses - it should be scientific, clear and not a mystical.

Qur?ān is an explicit elucidation for the peoples at large. [Refer 3:138]

There is nothing "explicit elucidation for the people at large" in that verse. Not to mention you got the definition of the Qur'an wrong.

This (Grand Qur?ān) is a delivered-transmitted conclusive proclamation for the Mankind. The purpose is that they might get warned-admonished-awakened by it. [Ref 14:52]

So why don't you wake up already and write non-sensical stuff instead?

Qualitatively, it (Qur?ān) is guarantor-conveyor of glad tidings and revivalist-Warner-awakener. [perpetually present in time and space].

Does your deluded world understand what the "glad tidings" is?

Why not you rebut the evidence quated that the person mentioned by title Fir'aoun was a real king of Egypt who is portrayed in hieroglyphics exactly as depicted in Qur'aan?

Rebut what? The fact that someone called himself Firun like Russian kings called themselves as Tza'rz? Or English feudals called themselves Kings? Or feudal lords called themselves lords of the manor? What is there to rebut? You haven't constructed a consistent thesis, in fact you have castrated the global message of the book.