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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Women "striking their feet"
« on: September 09, 2016, 11:25:03 AM »
Quran chapter 24 verse 31 contains this:
Yusuf Ali interpretation
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and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments.

While common interpretation state that the striking is about the old "bracelets" that women used to wear on their feets and made sounds.....Others think it's "separate" their feet/thighs (whatever) while sitting, or catwalking....

I think the meaning is nearer to something that would actually make the action of  "striking the feets" related to drawing attention specifically to their "ornaments".

Looking at this arabic-arabic dictionnary , "dharb" can easily refer to "movement". i.e "dharaba" in the sea would be moved in the sea / swimmed.

Now it would make sense, that some sort of movements made by women that would automatically draw attention to their "ornaments".

Obvious thing would be some bracelet, separate their feet, erotical dancing, belly dancing, and any miley cyrus kind of movement.

What do you guys think ?


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General Issues / Questions / Could "angel" be a state, and not a creation ?
« on: September 02, 2016, 04:49:17 PM »
Hey, I'm having long thoughts regarding the Iblees verses,


"And We have certainly created you, [O Mankind], and given you [human] form. Then We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was not of those who prostrated. [ Allah ] said, "What prevented you from prostrating when I commanded you?" [Satan] said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay." " 7:11-12

There is no doubt (at least for me) that Iblees was at some point an Angel, among the angels.

"And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the command of his Lord. Then will you take him and his descendants as allies other than Me while they are enemies to you? Wretched it is for the wrongdoers as an exchange." 18:50


Knowing that God mainly speaks about two creations:
 
"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me." 51:56

"(Allah) said (to Iblis) "Get out from this (Paradise) disgraced and expelled. Whoever of them (mankind) will follow you, then surely I will fill Hell with you all."
In this verse, Iblis is disgraced, lost his Light ?
Could it be that angels were initially Jinns that were given the angel state ? i.e "Light" ? perhaps they gained that position ?

"O you who have believed, repent to Allah with sincere repentance. Perhaps your Lord will remove from you your misdeeds and admit you into gardens beneath which rivers flow [on] the Day when Allah will not disgrace the Prophet and those who believed with him. Their light will proceed before them and on their right; they will say, "Our Lord, perfect for us our light and forgive us. Indeed, You are over all things competent."" 66:8

Could it be that we "humans" get to become in that state too according to this verse above ? by gaining "Light" ?


Thank you.

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Salam everyone,
This is gonna be a brief and a short analysis on the mistranslation as well as the misunderstanding of the word KAFIR in the Quran by God's willing.

Right off the bat, I want you to pay attention to the use of disbelievers in these contexts where the arabic word used is Kafir and its derivatives.

"And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers." 2:34

"These are they to whom We gave the book and the wisdom and the prophecy; therefore if these disbelieve in it We have already entrusted with it a people who are not disbelievers in it." 6:89

"And when there came to them a Book from Allah confirming that which was with them - although before they used to pray for victory against those who disbelieved - but [then] when there came to them that which they recognized, they disbelieved in it; so the curse of Allah will be upon the disbelievers." 2:89

You can see how the "disbelieve" means in its context: "Disobedience in an intentional way" as in  the first verse, "Rejection afer knowledge" in the second and "Denial/Rejection after recognizing" in the third..

Now before jumping up on conclusions, let's examine this second set of verses where the arabic word used is literally: Not to believe and its derivatives.

"Surely the Hour is indeed coming up; there is no suspicion about it, but most of mankind do not believe." 40:59

"And say to the ones who do not believe, "Act according to (Literally: do according to) your situation; surely we are (also) acting" 11:121

"But indeed, those who do not believe in the Hereafter are deviating from the path." 23:74

and last but not least, in this last verse where both the two different arabic words 'Kafir in its derivative" and "Not to believe in its derivative"  are gathered together :


"Surely, the ones who have disbelieved, it is equal to them whether you have warned them or have not warned them, they do not believe" 2:6

the disbelieved word is Kafir's derivative and the "do not believe" is the "do not believe" arab word.


I believe that, at this point, Kafir and the not-to-believe-er=disbeliever are clearly two different things in your mind. I'm not gonna go ahead and give an exact definition as its well understood and the difference between someone who doesn't believe and someone who is Kafir is very clear.

Now, before you fellow Muslim brother/sister consider calling someone a "Kafir", make sure you know that he reconized God as the God and decided to go against Him (in the same way Iblees "the devil" did)..otherwise a disbeliever i.e non-believer is the one who..you guessed it, doesn't believe.

Thank you for reading !

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Forum Suggestions / Sticky Threads for Valuable threads
« on: August 27, 2016, 02:03:49 PM »
Hey, I'm very new here and I'm also very confused. I don't really know what has been discussed from what hasn't been, nor if there is already an open discussion about a specific subject, simply because there are 10+ pages full of threads containing regular discussions.

I suggest implementing the "Sticky/Important Thread" option, which allows Moderators/Administrators to sticky a certain thread for it to appear in the top of the thread section, which would allow everyone (new / old members) to participate and learn from important topics that contain valuable informations.

And I'd be very sorry if this suggestion have already been stated but the reason is stated above.

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