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SAHIH INTERNATIONAL TRANSLATION

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Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah . So whoever makes Hajj to the House or performs 'umrah - there is no blame upon him for walking between them. And whoever volunteers good - then indeed, Allah is appreciative and Knowing.

Marwah

It's not hard to see Marwah is Mount Moriah (Temple Mount) today in Arabic still called ﻣﺮﻭﻩ Marwah.  Wiki link.  The oldest reference to Mount Moriah is in Genesis and in Chronicles (OT).  This landmark has been called Moriah/Marwa for at least 3000 years.

Safa

Safa is a bit harder to identify.    The writing of the historian Josephus were most helpful in identifying this landmark.  Josephus narrates a story about Alexander the great visiting Jerusalem.  Although the story is most likely fiction, the names of landmarks most likely aren't.

From Jewish antiquities 11.317-345:

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[11.329] And when Jaddus understood that Alexander was not far from the city, he went out in procession, with the priests and the multitude of the citizens. The procession was venerable, and the manner of it different from that of other nations. It reached to a place called Sapha, which name, translated into Greek, signifies a prospect, for you have thence a prospect both of Jerusalem and of the temple.

Now if you understand Sapha means prospect, it's easy to identify the landmark. Prospect in Latin is Scopus.  The landmark Sapha Quran is referring to is Mount Scopus.  This mount gives a prospect over Jerusalem and Temple mount (mount Moriah).  Wiki link



View from mount Scopus (Safa) towards mount Moriah (Marwa)

PS: Yes, this implies the majority of Muslims in the world are doing pilgrimage to the wrong place and praying towards the wrong place (Mecca instead of Jerusalem).

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Maybe you should read the reason I gave for my refusal to continue this debate in current circumstances.

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Hallucination, pedophilic imagination.

Keep 'em coming ...

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Isaac Asimov

The violence in this case is verbal, the incompetency lack of rational arguments.  I can only repeat it has become impossible for me to add anything to this debate faced with a long series of personal attacks that are being tolerated by the moderators.

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Forum Suggestions / Re: CLASSIC ARABIC GRAMMAR EXPERTS (split)
« on: December 13, 2015, 11:34:46 AM »
A martyr, my god.  Seems you have lost sense of reality as well: this is just a forum.  Me getting banned from it doesn't make me a martyr, nor will it affect me in any way.  I suggest you stick to your threat however.  Cause your logic has just given not only me but everyone on this forum persmission to call anyone a "pedophile" at will.  Personal attacks are okay.  Off topic posting is only an issue when it exposes the double standards of the moderators round here.

I would like to see some evidence of my reports being examined: cause I myself haven't heared one single word on it from any moderator. 

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Ad hominem x4

Off topic x4

Moderators reaction 4x0

Double standards anyone?

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Forum Suggestions / Re: Re: CLASSIC ARABIC GRAMMAR EXPERTS
« on: December 13, 2015, 11:06:52 AM »
I posted this in the proper thread, used the report button four times resulting in zero action being taken.  If you can't stand the heat, might as well ban me right now. 

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Forum Suggestions / Re: Re: CLASSIC ARABIC GRAMMAR EXPERTS
« on: December 13, 2015, 10:44:10 AM »
Let it be known that this individual has failed to prove this slander with any evidence whatsoever. The ID of one individual was provided after being asked and their posts still exist on the forum. This individual (Ahmed Bhagat) was banned for obscenities.  Please be advised that slander is taken very seriously.

You have to be kidding me. You say slander is taken very seriously yet you allow users to accuse others of pedophilia without doing anything. 10/10 hypocrisy

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If your claim of circular reasoning is true, then let's put it to the test!

From your link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning
Quote: "...is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with."

Please state how EXACTLY it is circular reasoning, i.e.

quote my beginning statement (which will also contain the conclusion I'm hoping to end with)

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You also commit another fallacy by claiming that Quran must state an explicit marriageable age, otherwise there is no such age, i.e. anything goes. It's like you've never heard of "deductive logic".
I guess deductive logic has one flaw, it requires the application of logic - not everyone has that.

I want to see you perform your job as a moderator first before we continue this debate.  I reported the matter 4 times, it's time you step up game.  Without moderation on this forum vis-a-vis slander targeting me, a normal debate is not possible.

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You need to learn biology of women as well as the Quranic verses you are targeting.


And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.65:4

1. Menstruation is not always regular in adult women.
2. Stoppage can sometimes mean the wife is pregnant.

I have dealt with both of the points you raise here.  Please scroll through the thread and find my counterarguments.

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rlz, what happened? It seems you have lost the plot, i.e. aql/reason.

"arbitrary" to those who do not understand logic perhaps. See:
http://misconceptions-about-islam.com/muhammad-married-young-girl.htm

Here is the bombshell, quote:

Incidentally, you may be interested to know I posted this finding on an anti-Islam forum just to see what they'd say. Most were dumbstruck, but the only argument they were left with was to claim orphans have a marriageable age and sound judgement criteria, non-orphans do not, e.g. you can marry someone 1wk old. Can you see what they did rlz? How they will twist it any way they can to suit their perverted confirmation bias?
As a side note, their argument is easily defeated by the Arabic itself, as it states "the marriageable age" not "their marriageable age", and not to mention such an exception (i.e. one rule for one, one rule for another) has to be mentioned in Quran, if not, the default applies. To a Quranic muslim this is obvious, but to others (especially from a Traditional Muslim approach) its not.

That is one of the beautiful things about Quran, it brings out the reader's true colours. It's testing you.

Your bombshell is nothing but circular reasoning.  Please show me the Quranic verse that states the exact minimum age for marriage.  If you can't you are just another apologist for islamic child marriage.  Now stop praising your own "superior" reasoning and do your job as a moderator for once.

PS: I never mentioned the hadith about muhammed I have deliberately stuck to the Quranic text itself, still you are trying to drag hadith into this debate.  Now do your job as a moderator or I  will consider you part of the online defamation that has been targeting me on this forum for a while.

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