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Also let me drop this:

As of today, Covid death toll in the US is 617k out 35.8 M cases. According to WHO.
Death rate = 617k/35.8 M * 100 = 1.72%

Obviously, no death rate should be trivialised, as low as it may be. But if you read and listen to Covid 19 alarmists, you'd think it is HIV or Hepatitis(Someone on this site compared Covid to these two viruses), you'd think at least a quarter or third of infected patients die from the virus.

Let's look at Germany, one of the countries cited in the documentary as more effective in responding to the outbreak.

Death toll in Germany today according to WHO is 91,791 from a total of 3.8 million cases.

Death rate in Germany = 91,791/3.8 M * 100 = 2.4%

Ironically, Germany has a slightly higher death rate than US

Remember the time where the media was all over India about significant death? Today, India death rate is just at 1.3%.

This might be useful for those trying to understand the background story on how politicians helped spread the virus.

1.The Full Story of Trump and COVID-19
https://youtu.be/qOYYUkZG6b8?t=16

Hmmm... Medical experts. Take whatever they give you with a little skepticism because they can lead you astray like our imams & scholars. They often peddle themselves as saints & saviours, but the health industry is full of corrupt & greedy practitioners who only care about their check, and perhaps their fat egos. I majored in & work in the health sector, so I know what am talking.

If you watch the full video, you get the impression that these "experts" were right since day one and could've saved the country, but an evil white man in a White House refused to cooperate.

They forget that in the earliest days of the virus, expert opinion were divided on how much of a threat it posed and whether there are specific drugs that can cure it. Of course, Google & YouTube have done a fine job scrubbing off evidence of this, but you can find documentaries & videos on Bitchute from early 2020 where medical personnels downplayed the threat of the virus.

These experts now turn around to say stuff like, 'Oh, we always knew this was coming, we've been anticipating a pandemic.' But there's really nothing remarkable about that. It's more like saying that 'There's going to be a flood or a black out in future.' It doesn't mean much, unless they pinned down the outbreak to a narrow period frame. And if they could do so, they'll have found a cure by now. There's been also a theory of late about the virus originating from a China lab, I guess the experts can tell us if this is true or not, and why they didn't warn us where it would come from.

Remember, these same experts signed approval for BLM protests in the middle of the pandemic & lockdown last year, saying that Racism is a bigger threat than Covid-19. And mainstream media then published several piece that the protest might've lowered the incidence rate of the virus.

Again, these same experts warned us Africa would be hit hardest due to poorer healthcare infrastructure. Today, death rate is so low in developing  nations of sub-saharan Africa that it put all of Europe & the US to shame. Imagine that. Countries with piss poor health care system have lower covid death rate than  the US. Countries that never anticipated or planned for the virus, that didn't enforce lock down, mask or social distancing before the US.

Now, all these noise about Trump seem like pro Biden campaign or Americans refusing to take responsibility for their failures. The states in the US all have the right to sovereign and autonomous rule. They don't need presidential mandate for policies like wearing mask, social distancing or lock down in the case of pandemic. And, in short, Americans are citizens of a first world country, not an underdeveloped third world, primitive society. They shouldn't need Mr president to conduct themselves in event of a contagious airborne virus.   

Besides, who listens to Trump? 90% of American media, companies & institutions are hard-line anti-Trump. So, why is Trump rethoric so powerful?

All in all, the only lesson I've learnt here is how American politicians pro-Trump & Anti-Trump exploited the virus to benefit their mission, and more importantly, how American society like every other society seldom take responsibility for themselves but love to blame their failures on one person, or one demographic of people.

[1. God gave us this land.]

Peace.

In this post, I'll offer my critique of the Free-Mind article on Palestine - https://freeminds.org/palestine.

Please note; I'm neither pro-Israel or pro-Palestine. Both Israelis & Palestinians have credible claims to the land.

In the above article, the writer attempt to discredit Israel's claims but his arguments are neither sound nor objective. The following are the claims of Israel he addressed.

1. God gave us this land.
2. The kingdom of Israel was here before the Palestinians.

1. God gave us this land.

That God originally decreed that the children of Israel enter the Holy Land is not in doubt. However, the part that seems conveniently ignored by today's proponents for Israel is that God's decree was always "conditional" upon the children of Israel behaving in accordance with His will. As can be seen from the verses above, this is evident when the children of Israel reached the Holy Land with Moses but refused to enter its gates in accordance with God's decree – hence, they were then banned from entering it for a period of forty years.

5:21 "O my people, enter the holy land as God Has decreed for you, and do not turn your backs, or you will become losers."
5:22 They said: "O Moses, in it are a mighty people, and we will not enter it until they leave. So when they leave, then we will enter it."
5:24 They said: "O Moses, we will never enter it as long as they are in it, so go you and your Lord and fight, we will stay right here!"
5:26 He said: "It has become restricted to them for forty years, and they will be lost in the land." Do not be sorrowful over the wicked people.

OK, so both the Bible & Qur'an confirms that the Israelites were gifted the land, then as penalty for their mistrust in God, they were denied entry for 40 years. We both concur on this.

But here is where our differences begin:

The Real question then becomes: Have the children of Israel now acted in accordance with God's will and can claim right to the Holy Land, or, have they broken His covenant and incurred His wrath?

This question lacks any basis in the Bible, and even the Qur'an for that matter. But let see what the writer cites as basis from the Qur'an.

5:12 God has taken the covenant of the Children of Israel and raised from them twelve representatives, and God said: "I am with you if you uphold the communion, and contribute towards betterment, and believe in My messengers, and support them, and give God a loan of righteousness; then I will cancel your sins and admit you into estates with rivers flowing beneath." Whoever rejects after this from you, then he has strayed from the path.

5:13 But because of them breaking their covenant, We have cursed them, and made their hearts become hardened; they take the words out of context; and they forgot much of what they were reminded of. And you will still discover betrayal in them except for a few; so pardon them and overlook; God loves the good doers.

So, to answer the first question "God gave us this land", according to the Qur'an the answer: No. God's covenant has been broken by the children of Israel and as such His blessings and favor over them no longer stands. In-fact, the situation is quite the opposite, as God has decreed that they be punished, at the hands of others, until the Day of Resurrection!

7:167 And your Lord has sworn that He will send upon them, until the Day of Resurrection, people who would inflict severe punishment on them. Your Lord is quick to punish, and He is Forgiving, Merciful.

Alright, none of these verses confirms that the Israelites or Jews were denied the land by God. Yes, God accused them of several things & even cursed them. But none of that indicates their ownership or access to the land was revoked.

But even if the Qur'an implies that the land no longer belong to the Jews. Why should the Jews or even Christians care? To them Muhammad was nothing more than a false prophet & the Qur'an is not a divine scripture.

On the flip side, Muslims have to accept the Bible. The Bible is the common ground between Muslims & the People of the Book. But the Bible no where confirms that the land of Israel was denied to the Jews on account of anything.

2. The kingdom of Israel was here before the Palestinians.

5:26 He said: "Then it has become forbidden for them for forty years, and they will be lost in the land." Do not be sorrowful over the wicked people.

Many people simply seem to imagine that the children of Israel, after disobeying God and being forbidden from the Holy Land for forty years, simply camped outside the gates of the land and waited until the forty year ban expired! The reality, according to the Qur'an, is that God decreed that the children of Israel would move on and be "lost in the land".

OK, so the writer's view is that God caused the Israelites to move on and be lost in the land. Then, what's the purpose of restricting them from entry for 40 years, if God intend them to lose sight or location of the land? Why not restrict them forever?

If you read the Book of Joshua in the Old Testament, the story is quite different. The Jews or Israelites eventually returned and colonized the land. Like I said, the Bible is the common ground between Muslims & Jews, not the Qur'an.

And you cannot say the Bible is wrong because the Qur'an endorsed the Bible several times & never mentioned any alteration had been done to it.

This gives view to the notion that, during this time of wandering, they have settled down in a place which was not the Holy Land and where later on the kingdom of David and the kingdom of Solomon emerged.

21:81 And to Solomon the gusting winds run by his command all the way to the land which We have blessed in. And We were aware of everything.

In the above verse we see the clearest indication that indeed the ancient kingdom of Israel was not located in the Holy Land but was located in a different place (the winds under Solomon's command could reach all the way to the Holy Land – meaning they were being originated somewhere other than that place).

Why would Solomon command the wind towards a land he's not situated on? The 'land' in this verse likely refer to the same land that Solomon ruled. This is a probable interpretation. The phrase, 'all the way' is not even included in the Arabic script.

27:22 But the hoopoe did not stay away long, then he said: "I have seen what you do not know, and I have come to you from Sheba with news which is certain."

Another clue we are given to the location of the ancient kingdom of Israel is the story of Solomon and Sheba. The ruins of Sheba have been identified and agreed by most archeologists to be in the region of southern Arabia (Yemen) where the famous dam of ma'rib once stood. We find that the hoopoe who was enlisted in Solomon's army did not stay away long before returning from Sheba with news of their behavior. Such short leave for the hoopoe would mean that the kingdom of Israel was located not far from Sheba and thus the distance that was traveled was perhaps a few hundred kilometers at most (not the thousands of kilometers required to travel from the Holy Land to Sheba and back).

Therefore, based on the information given in the Qur'an, it can be said with certainty that the ancient kingdom of Israel was located in the region of "southern Arabia" and not the northern area in which the Holy Land is found (for more archeological research showing that the children of Israel did indeed live in southern Arabia an interesting book to read is: "The Bible Came from Arabia" - by Kamal Salibi.

I don't know much about archeologists, but among historians there is no consensus on the location of Sheba. Speculation range from southern Arabia to northern Africa, and even Iran.

But say for the sake of argument we agree that Sheba is around Yemen, how does this alone overrule modern Palestine as the location of Solomon's Kingdom? Because the hoopoe bird left Solomon kingdom to Sheba & returned not long after?

There are variables we need to account for before reaching this conclusion. For instance, how far apart were the borders of ancient Sheba & Solomon's kingdom. Who knows, Yemen may not be all of Sheba, but only a small region within the kingdom.

Peace Neptin.

I really do not know what to say to you in regards to what you say here,quote:

"First, Israel isn't going to sue Hamas to court because Hamas have no obligation to present themselves before an Israeli court or any other court for that matter. Hamas also don't have the capacity to sue Israeli military.

You said;

Defending yourself or a court of law deciding with evidence are lawful.

I'm sorry, weren't you saying that Israel should defend itself with a court of law, rather than fire rockets that end up killing civilian Palestinians?

Next you said;

However defending yourself have to be appropriate and balanced. Punishment must fit the crime.
If those throwing  rockets are bombed along with hundreds of innocent ones living with and next to them, is this appropriate and just?

Hence I said;

Secondly, about appropriateness and balance in warfare. Here is the thing, if people are shooting rockets at you from an enclave close to civilian residential area, what do you do?
Plus, don't Hamas rockets target Israeli civilian areas?"

However what is wrong is wrong from any side. This fact does not change.
Then there is a real cause behind all wars.And of course wars have a starting point. The point is  who is to blame for starting the war ? Or,are both to blame ?  There is no other alternative.
Ponder this brother:" The one who hit me and stole my property started to cry first, , people were fooled and sided with his false complains".

OK. I wont further derail this thread. I'm going to create a thread to discuss my neutral position on Israel-Palestine conflict, why I think both Israelis & Palestinians have legitimate claims to the land, and the ignorance behind the pro-Palestinian mindset like in your case.

Peace.

I never understand why the" truth" should be defended?
Is the "truth" not something that should be clear ?
If one is defending" the truth"then by logic they must have some doubt about its clarity to others?
This is called "their truth" and cannot be the "the absolute truth".

Peace goodlogic.

The truth is often clear, but that is if and only if you have the full details concerning it. A lot of time people don't have the details, so they can't arrive at the truth.

In other words we are defending our own interest.
I do not know for sure about some people s intent but it is clear to me Hijab is defending "his truth" He sees it as something to be defended or at least he sees strongly that Abu Leyth s "truth"( or what he thinks it is Abu Leyth s) is something false.

It seem you don't understand what is happening. FYI, Hijab is pro-Palestine, and he was questioning the faith & authority of Abu Layth whom he thought was anti-Palestine. Then we got news of British Muslims who invaded Abu Layth's home & frightened his family.

Reel, like several others thinks, these Muslims acted under influence of Hijab's condemnation of Abu Layth. Hence reel thinks it appropriate that the public should report Hijab & YouTube should penalize him.

And I'm saying, No. Not only is Hijab innocent of instigating the attack, but reporting people to get them penalized or censored isn't the right thing. Even if they're spewing hate or false hood.

Peace Neptin.

You ask, quote:
"
Define unlawful killing. If people occupy 'your' land and drive you out, is it unlawful to shoot rocket at them if all attempt to reach a fair deal or negotiation fails? If people outside your territory are shooting rockets at you, is it unlawful to shoot back at them?"

Killing innocent people  is murder. It is unlawful,period.
GOD s justice will restore the balance. No one will get away with murder of innocent people at the reckoning.

Does your instinct not tell you that?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace goodlogic.

Your philosophy sounds beautiful on paper, but in real life, and when the rubber meet the road, it mostly fails. This is the reason I often differ with you & Jafar. Here is what am saying:

You said;

Very simple.Killing innocent people is unlawful.

OK, so do you really think Hamas & Israel military regard the target of their rockets to be innocent? I mean you say things as if what we have here is just a bunch of psychos killing people for sport. You don't consider the complexities that lead to the killing of the so called innocent people.

You continue;

Defending yourself or a court of law deciding with evidence are lawful.

However defending yourself have to be appropriate and balanced. Punishment must fit the crime.
If those throwing  rockets are bombed along with hundreds of innocent ones living with and next to them, is this appropriate and just?

With due respect, but this is unbelievable & somewhat laughable.

First, Israel isn't going to sue Hamas to court because Hamas have no obligation to present themselves before an Israeli court or any other court for that matter. Hamas also don't have the capacity to sue Israeli military.

The only way the courts could be any use in this conflict would be for Israel to invade & conquer all of Gaza, or for Hamas to invade & conquer all of Israel. But apparently you wouldn't want Israel to invade Gaza, would you?

Secondly, about appropriateness and balance in warfare. Here is the thing, if people are shooting rockets at you from an enclave close to civilian residential area, what do you do?

Plus, don't Hamas rockets target Israeli civilian areas?

Like I said, your philosophy sounds beautiful on paper, but in practice, it won't work one bit. War is more complex than one group of evil people fighting another group of innocent people.

The general remedy is with Abu Layth. He needs to understand that his urge to defend the prophet while subtracting "some hadiths" will never be taken lightly by the sectarians.

Well, he knows that rejecting "all hadith" won't sell. I'm looking to do a post in the near future on why Muslims generally reject Qur'anism. Talking Islam may be Abu Layth's job and he has to appeal to the largest market in order to survive.

Yeah, I agree that Hijab probably didn't make it. Some are saying defamation charges can be brought against him. However, Youtube now has a strict policy on fake videos. I'm just not sure how active it is for those made in UK. It is still best to just try. If Layth still gets attacked youtube will be liable.

I'm actually opposed to such policies on fake content because more often than not, they provide cover to censor dissident views. They won't address the root of the problem, they just papers over the cracks.

I wish we could just abstain from all these flagging, reporting & thus censoring of views & opinions that we consider false or hateful. It is this attitude of intolerance towards speech that we deem offensive that gave birth to religious blasphemy law.

  Peace goodlogic

All unlawful killing is terrorism!
Whether it happens in the west,east,north or south on GOD s earth.

Define unlawful killing. If people occupy 'your' land and drive you out, is it unlawful to shoot rocket at them if all attempt to reach a fair deal or negotiation fails? If people outside your territory are shooting rockets at you, is it unlawful to shoot back at them?

Or may be only a certain defined group are terrorists and the rest of the world do not call their illegal killing of innocent people terrorism?

The word 'terrorist' is used by 'government' to define non-governmental individuals or group of individuals that resort to violence to undermine or threaten a government & population. If you want to compare a government policy to terrorism, that's fine. But you don't use the word 'terrorist' for a government, especially an elected government. It'd be kind of like using the word 'Mafia' for a government.

The mind boggles ? Especially the minds that buy into propaganda and lies of greedy, thieving, murdering and oppressing governments,empires and systems.

Everybody buys propaganda. That's the reality. It's 'propaganda' when you don't agree with the message, but it is 'truth' or 'normal' when you agree with the message.

I wonder why have a justice system with so called  courts of law if killing of humans becomes cheap and is bypassing this justice systems all over the world?
Just let the "mob" rule prevail. To hell with justice for some .
Or every time someone want to murder illegally legally they call it a just war!!!!

Well, the people doing the killing don't consider it bypassing the justice system. They believe the law is on their side and they'll be cleared of all charges if ever tried in court. This is true whether they're Hamas or Israeli military.

Also, justice system? Really? What if the justice system justify these killings? Then we'll come up with 'Oh, the justice system is corrupt & can't be trusted.' You see that it just never ends. You can never satisfy everyone, & the people who are left dissatisfied are always going to avenge themselves.

I wish that would help, but it won't do anything. Hijab's hands are still clean here because he never ordered the attack on the Mufti's home. It seem more likely to me that Hijab himself didn't edit the clip of the Mufti but someone else passed it to him and he commented ignorantly without verifying.

If you're concerned about future damages, this won't do anything. In fact, this is little compare to full blown terrorist attacks we've seen in the past. And it is only a matter of time before Hamas secret operatives, or another terrorist group with sympathy to Palestine conduct terror attack somewhere in the west.

[2:155.]

But.. Poverty iradication is possible and should be encouraged to do so... Inequality in social status/life and poverty is two different things if you apply certain criteria to measure them..
Charity can by and large eradicate poverty but social inequality will remain.. Social inequality is not bad but the way the rich behave and the angle the poor look at them is to be changed.. All in all God figured it out nice and well poised...

Your heading... We can root out poverty fir sure.. So we can save the world in that aspect.. Further social inequalities of arrogance can be mitigated if people (rich) become humble.. But obvious social inequalities such as rich and poor cannot be eradicated..

Poverty can't be eradicated? Have you forgotten the verses I've cited?

2:155. We will certainly test you with some fear and hunger, and some loss of possessions and lives and crops. But give good news to the steadfast.

53:48. And that it is He who enriches and impoverishes.

I think the verses are straightforward. Qur'an confirmes that God does destine poverty for some people. So, that means you can't eradicate it. I can as well go into the economics that makes poverty eradication a pipe dream. But that'll consume too much time.

Further social inequalities of arrogance can be mitigated if people (rich) become humble.. But obvious social inequalities such as rich and poor cannot be eradicated..

Social inequality have nothing to do with arrogance. It is often correlated with wealth and have to do with individual opportunities and achievement in society. So rich people becoming humble won't mitigate against it.