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General Issues / Questions / Re: You Have Been Warned
« on: July 20, 2006, 10:58:58 AM »
Peace
Deaf dumb blind, they will not return...
Deaf dumb blind, they will not return...
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General Issues / Questions / Re: You Have Been Warned
« on: July 20, 2006, 05:29:21 AM »
Peace
Thank you Ahmed
Thank you Ahmed
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General Issues / Questions / Re: Djenna & Gehenna; explanation
« on: July 19, 2006, 04:02:51 PM »
Peace
So Bro Arnold, in your opinion since we are operating at a different level, as you say, which level is better your level or my level? am I inferior to you or you are inferior to me, just puzzled about your comments on this Level business/
hehe
Noble out
So Bro Arnold, in your opinion since we are operating at a different level, as you say, which level is better your level or my level? am I inferior to you or you are inferior to me, just puzzled about your comments on this Level business/
hehe
Noble out
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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: The scorching full-moon (shahr ramadan) is here
« on: July 19, 2006, 01:49:42 PM »
Peace marie
Interesting observation and comment. So hajj starts on a new moon, and the ramadhan period on the full moon after the summer solstice...
Thank you
Noble
Interesting observation and comment. So hajj starts on a new moon, and the ramadhan period on the full moon after the summer solstice...
Thank you
Noble
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General Issues / Questions / Re: Djenna & Gehenna; explanation
« on: July 19, 2006, 01:38:44 PM »
Peace
OK Brother Arnold, I want peace with you, so Hell is both physical and mental.
Whatever starts first, the chicken or the egg...
Anyways I take the literal view, and I am 100% convinced of it.
Jehannam before or after, doesnt matter, the map is not the territory, just a name...
And also mental pain and anguish can be more painful than physical: Alfitnatu Ashaddu mina alQatl...
Stilll, if we are not careful we will make a very good barbecue with stones on JD.
Salam
Noble
OK Brother Arnold, I want peace with you, so Hell is both physical and mental.
Whatever starts first, the chicken or the egg...
Anyways I take the literal view, and I am 100% convinced of it.
Jehannam before or after, doesnt matter, the map is not the territory, just a name...
And also mental pain and anguish can be more painful than physical: Alfitnatu Ashaddu mina alQatl...
Stilll, if we are not careful we will make a very good barbecue with stones on JD.
Salam
Noble
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General Issues / Questions / Re: Djenna & Gehenna; explanation
« on: July 19, 2006, 06:06:11 AM »
Peace upon you idolfree1
Well the Monk could not eliminate his death. Pain is a very useful safety device, but also a good deterrent. Physical pain can only be eliminated up to a threshold, I do take pills as I have a very low threshold to pain, particularly mental. Hypnosis/Meditation also help me, but a continuous assault of physical pain will make me feel it after a while. That being said, eliminating pain if it occurs will not stop the damage to the physical body (to take a crude example, maybe a monk could stop the painf from having a limb severed, still he will end up with one less limb). Physical pain if extremely imtense will be felt ultimately, ask any cancer survivor...
Anyways this distracts us from the interesting debate between Ahmed and Arnold, bring the popcorn and the Coke lol...
Not that the subject matter is very serious indeed: being barbecued is not my idea of having fun...
Noble out
Well the Monk could not eliminate his death. Pain is a very useful safety device, but also a good deterrent. Physical pain can only be eliminated up to a threshold, I do take pills as I have a very low threshold to pain, particularly mental. Hypnosis/Meditation also help me, but a continuous assault of physical pain will make me feel it after a while. That being said, eliminating pain if it occurs will not stop the damage to the physical body (to take a crude example, maybe a monk could stop the painf from having a limb severed, still he will end up with one less limb). Physical pain if extremely imtense will be felt ultimately, ask any cancer survivor...
Anyways this distracts us from the interesting debate between Ahmed and Arnold, bring the popcorn and the Coke lol...
Not that the subject matter is very serious indeed: being barbecued is not my idea of having fun...
Noble out
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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: The scorching full-moon (shahr ramadan) is here
« on: July 19, 2006, 05:04:36 AM »
Peace Bros Layth, Ayman
It is extremely important we get the understanding right on when to fast. Of course Allah is most Merciful and will not invalidate our previous fasts since we did not know, but you are onto something big. The closer we get to the true message as intended by Allah, the more our chances for success in this Life and the Hereafter.
I have one question here: Is it easier with the naked eye to spot the beginning of the lunar month ie a very thin crescent or the full moon?
As for tallying the scenarios from the Quran, they seem to compute
Many thanks again
Noble
It is extremely important we get the understanding right on when to fast. Of course Allah is most Merciful and will not invalidate our previous fasts since we did not know, but you are onto something big. The closer we get to the true message as intended by Allah, the more our chances for success in this Life and the Hereafter.
I have one question here: Is it easier with the naked eye to spot the beginning of the lunar month ie a very thin crescent or the full moon?
As for tallying the scenarios from the Quran, they seem to compute
Many thanks again
Noble
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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: The scorching full-moon (shahr ramadan) is here
« on: July 19, 2006, 01:48:07 AM »
Peace marie,
you are most welcome
you are most welcome
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General Issues / Questions / Re: Djenna & Gehenna; explanation
« on: July 19, 2006, 01:05:36 AM »
Peace
Ahmed, good explanations. Since you wish to focus on Jahannam, there is an obvious possible explanation why there is a place called Jahannam near Jerusalem, and that is maybe it was revealed to previous prophets that the name of hell is Jahannam in the hereafter, and so they called a place by that name, however Quran refers to the true meaning ie Hell is Jahannam in hereafter.
Taking a more inquisitive approach to the subject of language: it is very mysterious how it originated and developed, and it is well known that cultures do borrow from one another specific words, and also most obviously from Allah's revelations too, a good example is referring to planets as Kawkab which was unheard of in those times...
Even though I use the Quran a lot, I find it hard to refer to specific verses, but I think in Surat Al-Room, Allah (SWT) refers to the differences in languages between human communities as being one of His potent signs.
And Allah knows best.
Salam
Noble
PS My own hypothesis (to be proven of course) is that Languages initially emerged via Divine Interventions through Prophets and Messengers, the first of which being Adam, witness when Allah says He taught Him All the Names. Another explanation is that Allah hardwired into humans the capability to express themselved verbally, together with that of coding that capability into writing, as witnessed by Surat AlAlaq and AlQalam, in other words everything comes fully from Allah anyway...
So how about this controversial statement: This Life we live is the Allegory, and the Hereafter is the Real Life (you will find this expressed in the Quran as an Ayat).
Ahmed, good explanations. Since you wish to focus on Jahannam, there is an obvious possible explanation why there is a place called Jahannam near Jerusalem, and that is maybe it was revealed to previous prophets that the name of hell is Jahannam in the hereafter, and so they called a place by that name, however Quran refers to the true meaning ie Hell is Jahannam in hereafter.
Taking a more inquisitive approach to the subject of language: it is very mysterious how it originated and developed, and it is well known that cultures do borrow from one another specific words, and also most obviously from Allah's revelations too, a good example is referring to planets as Kawkab which was unheard of in those times...
Even though I use the Quran a lot, I find it hard to refer to specific verses, but I think in Surat Al-Room, Allah (SWT) refers to the differences in languages between human communities as being one of His potent signs.
And Allah knows best.
Salam
Noble
PS My own hypothesis (to be proven of course) is that Languages initially emerged via Divine Interventions through Prophets and Messengers, the first of which being Adam, witness when Allah says He taught Him All the Names. Another explanation is that Allah hardwired into humans the capability to express themselved verbally, together with that of coding that capability into writing, as witnessed by Surat AlAlaq and AlQalam, in other words everything comes fully from Allah anyway...
So how about this controversial statement: This Life we live is the Allegory, and the Hereafter is the Real Life (you will find this expressed in the Quran as an Ayat).
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General Issues / Questions / Re: Djenna & Gehenna; explanation
« on: July 18, 2006, 01:18:43 PM »
Peace idolfree1
I know a lot about hypnosis, meditation, nlp and what have you as I practice them on a regular basis (from Paul McKenna to Richard Bandler, and Milton Erickson in the past, but also I happen to suffer from a mental disorder where I do sometimes get thought distortions and delusions, with some of the drugs I am taking giving me a better threshold for dealing with pain).
But:
Eliminate death then if you are truthful
Astalavista baby
Noble out
I know a lot about hypnosis, meditation, nlp and what have you as I practice them on a regular basis (from Paul McKenna to Richard Bandler, and Milton Erickson in the past, but also I happen to suffer from a mental disorder where I do sometimes get thought distortions and delusions, with some of the drugs I am taking giving me a better threshold for dealing with pain).
But:
Eliminate death then if you are truthful
Astalavista baby
Noble out