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#151
Free-Minds.Org / ProgressiveMuslims.Org / Amen
May 24, 2003, 02:26:51 PM
Peace to you,

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All of the above names venerated some god or another simply by uttering them. But now who cares or even knows that fact?
Who cares if "Puff the Magic Dragon" refers to smoking pot? You won't stop the people who do so from doing so by banning the song. But you will upset all the children who loved to sing the song for completely innocent reasons.

Who said anything about banning anything? Again you are making things up which I never said in my article. I provided information which I believed was accurate to the best of my knowledge. Its is the readers responsibility to do his/her own DD.

But in a way you are right.  Who 'cares' if the word semite refers to one whose language is semitic, which includes jews, arabs, assyrians, phoenicans, babylonians, ....  We still cannot ban the use of term anti-semite keeping in view the manner in which it is used today. By banning this term we would be upsetting a lot of people, would'nt we.  :)
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#152
Peace to you,

Quote from: "objective eye"Without any understanding of the linguistics of the situation the article equates the sanskrit origin word Amen (from Aum) with the Egyptian god Amun.

It would have been nice if a source would be made available.

You have basically missed the point. I don't  know where you are coming from but on this website (free-minds.org) we only adhere to what is in the Quran and reject all man made fabrications that have crept in Islam. The use of  'Amen'  in daily prayers is but one example.

QuoteAnd how was this dazzling conclusion made? Why through an apparently accidental discovery in an encyclopaedia of an Egyptian god's name which happens to be similar in sound.

And THAT really is the only basis given.


If you look carefully, there were 2 encyclopaedias that I used as reference:

1)Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th Edition 2001
2)Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol 1 1907

If you choose not to believe what they say then thats your prerogative. However, as courtesy to the readers please provide references to prove your point.

QuoteAstounding that the word should have remained the same over 3000 years despite crossing many nations to arrive in modern English in a practically identicle form to the one it started from (and if anyone knows anything about linguistics that really is astounding).

You argument is very weak. You simply cannot dismiss the information based on the fact that a 'long period of time' has elapsed. And who said anything about this work entering into MODERN ENGLISH? You are simply assuming stuff I never said.

In my article, I have shown from reliable sources the origins of this word which now exist NOT only in english (mainly due to translations) but in Hebrew and Arabic as well. I did not made all of this up. If you think these sources are incorrect please provide alternate sources that you think are right.


QuoteI think I have one to add to this. I recently came accross the name of an Egyptian god called Anubis. I think there is a strong possibility that the use of Cannabis is an ancient form of veneration to this pagan god. What do you think?

What I think is irrelevant unless you can can back this up with a reliable source. If not, then I would conclude that you were being sarcastic :)

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The story comes accross as simply puritanical overzealous and anti-semetic (there are many words not used in the Quran, and many hebrew loan names & words into Arabic which are, including the name Ishmael itself)

You are again mssing the point. Ishmael is mentioned in the Quran, Amen is NOT. I have in my article only tried to demonstrate that its a  non-quranic word and its origin. While this approach may seem puritanical to it is completely normal for this website. In fact this website thrives in exposing man-made fabrications in the name of God. If you have a problem with that, unfortunately I cannot do anything about it :)

And I  suggest you look up the meaning of 'semite' in the dictionary before accusing anyone of being an anti-semite :) Do you know who a semite really is ?

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Even if there were a shed of truth in that story there is less point in bringing it up than there is in bringing up the fact that the english word for describing divinities & The Divine istelf  "God" is the name of a pagan anglo-saxon deity.

The point was well understood by those who disregard man made fabrications. Unfortunately you were not one of those.

regards,