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[your logical developed argumentative demonstration]

I am not interested if you are honest or not i am interested about how you come to this conclusion using your  logical developed argumentative demonstration so i may change my view regarding the term ruku3 in 38:24 , and by the way you do not need to be intellectually honest  in that matter you need to be physically active and not lazy so you stand up , kneel and prostrate , and glorify your lord , you may be pleased as per 20:130 , and you may increase you good deeds as per 11:114 , and you may bring yourself closer as per 96:19  

Quoting what i wrote and dropping some two lines reply under it doesn't make you given a point -by-point response , this is only but a responding competition , you trying to look like you didn't miss anything and that you are following argument by arguments , believe me write a solid valid studied argument and i reply to you if necessary instead of writing competitions.  

Which evidence are you talking about  , quoting some colored words of the quran from another website and past it here is not enough to say that you used  evidence from the quran , try better next time , go and study first and avoid competition . 



Your mind  is in a way of thinking that doesn't need arguments to be convinced , your mind come to a state of selected choices , i knew this mind strategy , this is why i replied on the beginning that :


There is still only two possibilities that you may be convinced to how Solomon (s)  fell down in 38:24

First : Is to return back in time and witness with your eyes .
or
second : You wait till you meet him , and ask him ,
even-though : I won't be surprised if that two remaining possibilities doesn't convince you either .

appeal for support by using other members name

Don't want to be offensive but you can't give any valid argument , not because you :

But because you cannot be any better than this , based on the content of your posts and your why of selecting and choosing and finally based on your pre-believe .

You said it if you find it logical then i am fine , even if it is a trap   

Appeal for support by using the term "those"

You better stop wasting your time ,mine and reader's time and go study , i'll respond to any serious valid studied arguments , your post n?44 is just a copy past for competition  , for me any next reply from you should only be ranked as something more clearer as you already statde that you :

Rank1 :

So you can't be more clearer as you yourself stated .

or

Rank2 : Competition writings

I'll ignore Rank 2 , only one thing left for you : go and study

Except for personal attacks, there is nothing in your post worth responding to so I will just stand aside. There are others who I think have better responded to your claims about the meaning of 'rukuh' than I so I will defer to them. And they actually believe in ritual prayers so I hope you will be more receptive to their arguments.

Read posts 45, 59 and 44 for a detailed explanation of why your conclusions about 'rukuh' are just plain wrong.   

Peace.

How about Haj according to the Quran?

LOL


You guys are Nuts.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer
German philosopher (1788 - 1860)

I guess in your case, the truth is still in the early stages so you have to cover a lot of ground to catch up!

Which country do these Mullahs belong to?

You and your leaders have challenged the true words of Allah that Mut'ah is allowed.

Why are you quoting hadith when you know the members of this forum focus only on the Qur'an?

^By saying I do not believe in ritual prayers I am being intellectually honest by admitting my bias. However,  note that I have given a point-by-point response to your post by using evidence from the Qur'an instead of writing a general post criticizing your understanding of what 'rukuh' means. If you think you have a strong case, reply with a point-by-point response instead of claiming I am biased towards your understanding. Saying 'your pre-believe setup is not making you see the connection' is really not an argument.

My suggestion would be for you to focus on words of the Qur'an and respond to my post by providing evidence from the The Reading. Convince me by providing an intelligent response instead of saying my mind is made up. That is really not an argument.

See post 45 as well. Mazhar who actually believes in ritual prayers has issues with your understanding as well.

It was you who wrote the post claiming a different interpretation of 'rukuh' I did not initiate a post about what I think salat is. For argument sake, if I gave you my explanation of salat ,  how does that make your understanding of 'rukuh' right?

Do you see the logical trap you are setting up for yourself?

Even those who believe in ritual prayers do not agree with your understanding  so you have your work cut out.

And then, I clearly said in front of my mom and the man that I did not consider myself a Sunni anymore. I just said I was just a Muslim. And then I told everything from my heart and brain that Sunni doesn't make much difference than Shia, all sects in Islam are man-made.

Now that the pleasantries have been exhanged, can we get back to the original topic of this thread.

What Quran Alone Means.

1. The Qur?an is the only book for the Muslim.

2. God Almighty is the One from whom help and guidance is sought.

3. The Qur?an hasn?t left anything out.

4. The Qur?an is the truth in which there is no doubt, and all else is conjecture, and conjecture should not be followed.

5. The Qur?an is the only hadith in which we must believe.

6. The Qur?an is complete, perfect and requires nothing else alongside it.

7. The Qur?an is God?s Straight Path and anything else is a departure from the Straight Path.

8. The sole duty of the messenger was to deliver the message and NOT to explain it.

9. The messenger used to govern using the Quran alone.

10. The Sunna of the prophet was the Quran alone.

My views on this have been changing recently. I'm curious as to what others think and why.

Would it be possible to add a zero as one of the choices as there are some who do not consider salat to be ritual prayers?

Nice! Thanks...
So, who will do it? Who'll expose that lie?

Peace GodSubmitter,

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

Where are we right now? I would say between 1st and 2nd stage.

There is  already literature available that debunks the traditional understanding of salat and Islamic rituals in general. In the last few years a lot of progress has been made.

We just have to keep working at getting the truth out.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."


The first big manipulation was to treat a noun Salat = ritual prayer without any objective evidence from the Quran. By planting this lie in the followers heads, the traditionalists then introduced more lies in Hadith to further cement their position. They also twisted the meanings of the verses by introducing words like 'perform' in the translations to legitimize the ritual.   

Very few people talk about the big lie i.e how the word salat came to mean ritual prayer. The discussion predominantly revolves around issues such as the number, the procedure, and the number of units to pray.