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Prayer is a connection /a call to the Creator. Like when you phone a dear friend for some kind of help.

We may look upon prayer simply as a means of getting things for ourselves, but the purpose of prayer is also that we may get to know God. "Ask, and you will receive..." i.e getting to cement a relationship with GOD.

What do you mean by "is god s mind changeable"?
Do you mean when  we are not granted our prayers?  Or we prayed for what is not in our interest and we want to change our prayer?
We are the ones with imperfect minds that change according to circumstances.

Prayer that has value will come from the special relationship  that one builds over time with our Creator ,like for example in Psalm 16:
Keep me safe, my God,

1  for in you I take refuge.

2  I say to the Lord, "You are my Lord;

apart from you I have no good thing."

3 I say of the holy people who are in the land,

"They are the noble ones in whom is all my delight."

4Those who run after other gods will suffer more and more.

I will not pour out libations of blood to such gods

or take up their names on my lips.

5 Lord, you alone are my portion and my cup;

you make my lot secure.

6 The boundary lines have fallen for me in pleasant places;

surely I have a delightful inheritance.

7 I will praise the Lord, who counsels me;

even at night my heart instructs me.

8 I keep my eyes always on the Lord.

With him at my right hand, I will not be shaken.

9 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;

my body also will rest secure,

10  because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead,

nor will you let your faithful one see decay.

11 You make known to me the path of life;

you will fill me with joy in your presence,

with eternal pleasures at your right hand.

...etc.
Brother 357, best of luck with your relationship with your Creator.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

That is a nice prayer, and in this case you actually accept the way of your lord, but i meant in cases where people request things from  god for their gain, in which case god would be doing something according to your request, which is what majority of the Muslims do  .. with respect.

what does praying lead to... it does soothe our nerves and encourage us to do things in a certain way, i think.

I'm confused... Sperm banks mean you don't have sex with the person. You don't even see them. There's no relationship there.

Pleasure is another huge factor.

Not everyone wants children. Not everyone wants biological children. Not everyone wants to (or is able to) be married or in a committed relationship by the time they want to have children, and they may opt for single parenthood. Of course this isn't even taking into account the many LGBTQ+ individuals that want children too.

If someone has known fertility issues, they need to bring that up before they get married. If their issues are serious enough to cause them to not have their own biological children, that's important information to tell one's prospective partner, so they can decide for themselves if this is a person they should marry or not. Their partner needs to be aware of this possibility to know if they can accept the reality that may come with it - either it being very difficult in the future to have biological children, or impossible entirely.

If it's difficult, that means it's still a possibility. Financially expensive and emotionally taxing, but a possibility. Today we have fertility testing, drugs, artificial insemination, in vitro fertilization, surrogacy, donor sperm OR eggs, etc. There are a lot of options that allow for a couple to still have their own biological child. Couples may choose to explore all these options, or they may not. If biological children are not a possibly at all, a couple may choose to remain childless or look at other avenues like fostering or adoption.

Its Okay to use a Donor sperm according to the quran , is it?
So the child Biologically will be the wife's and another mans....

Peace 357,

What do you mean by "anti Quranic"   


                   

Are they against the law of the quran, which i think says , "believers are those who only have intercourse with their partners ...."
or something like that.

why do people have intercourse just for sex or for something more then that?

Having your own child is great - to, then, bring them up so they are great human beings, you can to an extent shape their intelligence , health, height (depending on what you do to help in their development and growth.) - make them better human beings , to serve the almighty by better serving humanity ...e.t.c



Of course if you are impaired as a men then all this may not be possible, and should then your wife also give up the God given right to have a child?

Are sperm banks anti quranic?

If a man doesn't have any sperms or has an impairment  can the women have another mens sperm?

I meant to say in my above post:
The majority of members(99.9%) want this forum to stay the best the other 0.1% give up easily when they realise they had a misconception about "Islam" and they cannot justify their claims/criticism .
Peace

what a pity , but true.

I did learn a lot here - actually almost everything because of this site.

God Bless you guys who started it and keep it going ........

I think older members should come back from time time...and share some of their knowledge.

This is a great place to talk about religion and things and learn.

This site used to be very busy, but has lost a lot of the people visiting, please say what is the reason - if possible, what puts people off from visiting?

Thanks.

Ismail=Moses did away with their laws and set up the laws again for mankind........ cleansed Albait and reestablished it anew.

http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000400.pdf

I was looking at this ayah to make a point but need some input - from anybody ......

The word mathabatan 2.125 is always translated as a place for return, but looking at lanes

...Al-Bait  mathabatan for mankind.......Al-Bait is for recompensing , compensating, requital or reward - for good and for evil - for mankind.........

Is that right , might be?   

Doesn't it sound like The Law?

Hope people agree or disagree 

[partitive]

peace,

My view is that it could mean "sacrifice" in its first usage in the verses (when Abraham relays the dream to his son) because when other visions are mentioned in Quran the words/objects used are often not taken literally (12:5, 12:100, 12:43) i.e. they are symbolic/mean something else.

Thus, this only leaves the 2nd usage of "sacrifice" (in 37:107) to explain away. It could be a play on words as I have noted elsewhere in Quran, but I personally haven't checked every Classical Arabic dictionary to see if this word has ever been used non-literally. We do it in English all the time however.

The objection in the above paragraph is the only sticking point for my view, everything else is favourably weighted towards my understanding (in my opinion). Thus, in terms of balance of probability I take the view as mentioned in the links I gave.

Exactly. Quran also confirms there is a separation: "...settled some/of/from (partitive) of my progeny" in 14:37.

To be frank, my view is a perfect fit except for what I mentioned previously.

If that was the case , then there is no great feat by ismail......

May be I am wrong, can/ is
Ismail = Moses, as there isn't any name for Moses in childhood in the quran, is there?

The sacrifice made was the giving up of their child, so it was never a physical slaughter as such.
May be pharaoh took away their children to work as slaves leaving behind their women.


Etymology of the name Ishmael

The name Ishmael consists of two elements. The first part comes from the verb שמע (shama'), meaning to hear:

Abarim Publications' online Biblical Hebrew Dictionary

שמע
The root-verb שמע (shama') means to hear in much the same way as our English verb. It may mean to perceive a sound via the ears (Genesis 3:10, Deuteronomy 4:33), or to hear about something via the grapevine (1 Samuel 13:4, Isaiah 66:. It may denote an observant listening, a paying attention to (Amos 4:1, Micah 3:9), or understanding someone's language (Genesis 11:7). It may mean to hear someone out (Genesis 23:6), or hear someone in a judicial setting (Deuteronomy 1:17). Our verb also often means to listen to someone in the sense of to obey that person (Judges 2:20, 1 Samuel 8:7), or to hear and forgive or help (1 Kings 8:30, Isaiah 30:19).


I to denote who hears
Shama to hear
i?l the one who is heard

Ismail
(One) who hears Allah.

ﭮ ﭯ ﭰ ﭱ ﭲ ﭳ ﭴ ﭵ ﭶ ﭷ ﭸﭹ ﭺ ﭻ ﭼ ﭽ
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And [We sent] messengers about whom We have related [their stories] to you before and messengers about whom We have not related to you. And Allah spoke to Moses with [direct] speech.
(30. So when he reached it, he was called from the right side of the valley, in the blessed place, from the tree: ?O Musa! Verily, I am Allah, the Lord of all that exists!?)



Or is it too far fetched?

I recommend:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13069.msg273059#msg273059

Can you show where and how he is sacrificed in the quran? according to your explanation on the meaning of sacrifice? (although i do agree with you).....Thanks.

Remember they are never spoken of together again and ismael is very young also