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#11
I love this thread!  ;D  :rotfl:
#12
Quote from: HP_TECH on January 27, 2018, 08:50:03 AM
Above us is a sea of liquid nitrogen it's extremely cold and appears incredibly dense.

Do you know this or do you believe this?

How do you mean that your particular faction of flatearthers came to know about this? Did they stick a sky syringe through the dome to see what was on the other side?

No need to tell me about how liquid nitrogen is cold, as that was not the question. Just wondering what makes you think there is a liquid nitrogen sea above the supposed invisible dome.
#13
Europe / Re: N?gra svenskar h?r i detta forum
February 08, 2018, 03:20:46 PM
Quote from: seakingthewaylife on January 24, 2018, 02:12:54 PM
Men jag undrar, om du har slutat med att s?ga Quran alone, vad ?r din relation till Koranen, Islam, Allah?
Islam ?r ett begrepp p? arabiska som m?ste utkristallisera sig ?ver tid f?r varje person. Visst kan vi f?rs?ka v?gleda varandra, men jag tror inte p? att tvinga varandra. Givetvis ing?r ett visst m?tt tv?ng i samh?lleliga strukturer, men de speglar bara den stora massans utveckling, och inte n?gra direktiv fr?n Gud. M?nniskan tolkar, och kan inte g?ra annat ?n s?.

V?rldsreligionen Islam ?r en religion bland andra.

Koranen ?r intressant, men jag kan m?ste ?gna mig ?t mig sj?lv nu f?r att senare kanske kunna f?rst? vad koranen ?r. Jag tror inte p? att f?lja f?r, eller m?nniskor som inte inser att de kan ha fel.

Os?ker p? vad Allah ?r. Men om Allah ?r samma som Rabb, s? ?r detta det stora Varandet som skapat oss och allt, men som vi inte kan definiera, och inte ska definiera. N?r vi f?rs?ker f?rst? vad Rabb ?r s? begr?nsar vi det i v?rt sinne och det vi d? har ?r bara en sinnesbild. Verkligheten ?r skild fr?n de bilder vi skapat i sinnet. Vi kommer n?rmare sanningen ju mer i inser vad Rabb INTE ?r f?r n?got.

QuoteF?r mig ?r dessa saker inte lika uppenbara som det var n?r jag v?xte upp. ?n idag utvecklas mina tankar.
Samma h?r. Jag tror det tyder p? utveckling. Saker m? te sig mindre enkla, kanske t.o.m. mer frustrerande, men man m?ste g? fram?t, och inte fastna i en blind bubbla.

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D?remot ?r Quran alone ett bra samlingsbegrepp f?r diskurser som vill s?tta hadither och tradition i en mer historisk kontext. Det verkar vara en bra start ifall man vill komma n?rmare n?gon k?llkritik av Islam.
Sant
#14
Europe / Re: N?gra svenskar h?r i detta forum
February 08, 2018, 03:09:11 PM
Quote from: Maha on January 25, 2018, 06:55:56 PM
Ja men Zulf hvis man aldrig kan have ''svaret'' s? bliver det hele ogs? uden nogle pointe og helt meningsl?st.. for s? kan man s?ge hele livet uden at have hittat nogle svar.. og hvorfor skal man s? s?ge hvis man alligevel aldrig kan hitta svaret??
Og ''enten eller'' mentaliteten er heller ikke helt korrekt.. i virkeligheden er de fleste ting jo kun noget som vi tror p? og ikke noget vi ved med sikkerhed.. og i blandt h?nder det at vi ved en smule om det men ikke alt...

Det er lidt et filosofisk fr?gen  :)

Hej Maha,
N?, jag tycker inte heller om "antingen eller"-mentaliteten. Saker ?r verkligen inte bara svart eller vitt.

Jag tror det ?r klokast att komma n?rmare och n?rmare sanningen. Att tro att man kommer hitta den slutliga sanningen inneb?r att det inte l?ngre finns n?gra djupare niv?er att inse.

Det ?r v?l underbart att kunna utvecklas. Saker ?r inte meningsl?sa bara f?r att man inte har den ultimata sanningen.
Vi m?ste jobba p? att f?rb?ttra v?r uppfattningsf?rm?ga, och p? s? s?tt se mer och mer av verkligheten. Det ?r ju inte sanningar som ska uppt?ckas. Det ?r v?r syn, eller uppfattningsf?rm?ga, som m?ste f?rb?ttras. Det ?r egentligen inte ett s?kande, utan bara ett utvecklade av oss sj?lva.
#15
It was initially intended to consist of more parts, like two more... but due to reasons, it was put on hold, perhaps indefinitely...
#16
Quote from: progressive1993 on January 23, 2018, 10:18:20 AM
The main brainwashing today is feminism, socialism, parliamentary majoritism (commonly referred to as democracy), etc.

1. Can feminism be only one thing?
2. What is socialism to you??
3. What are alternatives to democracy that are better?
4. Who is doing this brainwashing?
#17
Europe / Re: N?gra svenskar h?r i detta forum
January 24, 2018, 11:04:01 AM
Jag ?r intreserad av mycket.
Jag s?ger inte Quran Alone l?ngre, men jag f?rst?r vad du menar.

Koranen verkar vara mycket intressant, av diverse anledningar, men jag har ocks? l?rt mig en sak, och det ?r att man inte ska begr?nsa sig och s?tta upp barri?rer och tunnelseende f?r sig sj?lv.

Slutar du s?ka s? st?nger du d?rrar som potentiellt kan ta dig fram?t. Den som anser sig funnit Svaret, har st?ngt d?rren. Drar man det till sin spets s? kan man s?ga att den som anser sig veta sanningen, p? s?tt och vis s?ger sig ha Guds kunskap. B?ttre att medge att man bara ?r m?nniska, och kan ha fel i allt. Synd att alla religioner dock tror sig l?ra ut Sanningen.

En annan viktig sak att h?lla i ?tanke ?r att antingen vet man, eller s? vet man inte. Antingen eller. Tyv?rr s? blir det ofta s? att n?r man inte vet s? tror man ist?llet. Det ?r det vi g?r n?r vi inte vet... vi tror. B?ttre d? att bara erk?nna att man inte vet... och l?ta det vara s?... f?r d? ?r d?rren fortfarande ?ppen f?r nya insikter. Att inte veta inneb?r en enorm potential.

Sluta aldrig s?ka!
#18
Quote from: huruf on January 05, 2018, 03:54:24 AM
Yes, Kamal Salibi lifted the lid of the free for all that are the stories of the bible, but the books by Pazuzu go much deeper and thoroughly ont he wghole business, which is logical, because the first time that somebody discovers some new aspect of something, of course, it must be somewhat tentative. Nobody never has come out with a whole new view and it has come out already perfect with everything fitting and without any flaws. If it was so humanity would have no history nor history would have been corrected so manyt imes.

Today Egytology is not what was when it started and where everything about ancient Egypt was nonsense from the bible and some more nonsense of projecting back on Egypt the history of Greece and Rome.

In Ehyptology nothing has ever been discovered that matches the Bible stories. And it is not lack of documents and writings that prevents there being something about those stories if they had ever happenned. In fact if there was even a little piece of Egyptian documentation of them, we would have been served that piece to saturation.

With all my respct for Kamal Salibi, because it took a great deal of vision and guts to put forward his view, the books by Pazuzu deserve to be read by themselves. May be he also is nto 100% infallible, but certainly what he says, is far more founded and satisfying that the third or fourth hand stories of the bible, as regards Egypt.

And the last nail on the thing is the Qur'an itself. The contents of the Qur'an do not support the idea that the events adscribed to Egypt happenned there, in the same way that what the Qur'an says about 3isa does not match what the gospels say about Jesus.

Salaam

I agree with what Huruf says.

Also:
1. Pazuzu is inspired by Salibi, but doesn't rely on his work.
2. Pazuzu is human, i.e. fallible and not perfect. It is unwise to accept or reject something in its entirety. Evaluate each piece of info.
3. If one wants to pass judgement on Pazuzu's work, then at least read ALL of it, and not just bits and pieces.
4. Pazuzu cross references religious texts with non-religious material such as poetry, historical records and maps, focusing mostly on name places. I would like to see people pointing out inconsistencies and flaws in detail, not in general.

#19
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January 05, 2018, 03:25:02 PM
Quote from: Abdun Nur on January 04, 2018, 07:44:25 AM
There is no God is the very foundation of the original Islam which removed worship, superstitions, hierarchical structures of control and established alternatives that functioned free of corruption and free of riba, which almost no one now has been exposed to.
If 'there is no God', then is there a Creator (of course not a person in the skies)? Is there a Rabb who is sustaining Creation each instant?
What's your take on this?

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What does exist is far more than the nonsensical god concept taken from the Sun which was worshiped in the heavens, but most god bother'ers don't care about evidence, reason, or truth, they want fantasy and not to think, just to follow ritual, be pious (hypocritical) and to worship, worship, worship!

Agreed.
We know what we know. The rest we don't know. That which we don't know, most people believe. It's better to just not know.
#20
Quote from: owlwithbow on January 04, 2018, 02:38:27 PM
Well, wouldn't it be wise to not say things like "it's changed, thus we don't need to believe, read and follow it anymore" if you don't know what the history is of the Scripture, and neither can you read it in the Original Language.

Because the Scriptures are being preserved in their Original Language. You can't use a translation as evidence, anyways, most translations are made by sects anyways.

Should we believe, instead of knowing? Isn't it better to be open, instead of believing what we don't know?
Should we believe what we don't know? Why?
:)