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General Issues / Questions / Re: Ramadan
« on: May 17, 2017, 10:00:35 AM »
I do not know where you get this idea that it was revealed all at once, even taking Layltul Al-Qadr in to account.

This has been discussed before.
Ayman:

right now I think that the most likely scenario is a two-stage revelation. For example, the great reading was descended in two stages. The first stage is iNZAL in one night per year (laylatu al-qadr/shahr ramadan). The second stage is gradual TANZiL to the prophet's heart by the spirit (see 26:192-195, 25:32). In this case, the spirit did indeed confirm what the prophet already had.

(https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=10190.msg49369#msg49369).

What I understand from the relevant ayas is that it was not the whole Quran that was revelead on the hot full moon (the night of decree) but only a reading (a chapter) of it.  I may explain more in detail later.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Ramadan
« on: May 17, 2017, 04:49:49 AM »
Plus, we are ordered to fast the shahr:

Whoever witnesses the shahr, let him fast it
فَمَن شَهِدَ مِنكُمُ الشَّهْرَ فَلْيَصُمْهُ

The shahr in 2:185 does not stand for the month of ramadhan,
otherwise it would mean that the reading took the whole month to be revealed.
No, it took only one night.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Ramadan
« on: May 17, 2017, 04:03:33 AM »
... shahar does not mean full moon, it means month.

Not always.

In 2:185 shahr means the full moon
just like the night of decree in 97:1.

The shahr ramadhan in which the reading was revealed... - شَهْرُ رَمَضَانَ الَّذِي أُنزِلَ فِيهِ الْقُرْآنُ
We revealed it on the night of decree -إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَاهُ فِي لَيْلَةِ الْقَدْرِ

The reading and it are the same thing
which was revealed in only one night.

The night of the hot full moon = the night of decree.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Ramadan
« on: May 17, 2017, 02:52:22 AM »
Ramadan is very clear, 30 days of fasting, dawn to dusk starting on Friday night 5/26 where I live insha'Allah this year of 2017.

30 days is simply impossible.

Because Allah orders
whoever among you witnesses the shahr
to fast it -  فمن شهد منكم ال شهر فليصمه...

That is, they will first witness the shahr
and only after that they will fast it.

This year
May 25 is the day when the moon is dark,
so nobody can witness it on May 25.

They will witness it in the evening of May 26.

But...
May 26 has already passed without fasting when they witness the ramadhan crescent in the evening.
Or else, they will fast the shahr before they witness it against Allah's order.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Ramadhan 2:185
« on: May 16, 2017, 11:33:26 PM »
From my understanding of this 2: 185 there is no starting of ramadhan and no ending of ramadhan b'cos it refers to one person singular, ie the one witnessing the full moon should fast the next one day.
For a person living in northern parts like alaska or northern norway etc their summer month has no setting of the sun so they would witness a full moon. So its not obligatory on them. You have to witness it yourself.
Thats my understanding on 2: 185 anyway submitter.
Thanks for reading and responding.

Hello jemby97.

From MY understanding of
"So whoever witnesses among you the full moon"
refers to ALL the believers who witness it.

As for the timing of ramadhan,
there certainly is a starting and an ending of it.
It starts when people witness the hot full moon (shahr ramadhan)
and ends when the crescent appears after the last quarter.

Duration of fasting is 10 days
b'cos
the change from the full moon to the first crescent
takes 10 days.

Full ----------- quarter -- waning crescent
O ------------>D---------> )

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Ramadhan 2:185
« on: May 16, 2017, 02:28:39 AM »
Brook,

Could period here is referring to a lunar year?

According to the Quran there is no such thing as the lunar year. The word  YEAR (سَنَةٍ) in the Quran stands for the SOLAR year. Take Yunus 5 for example:

God is the one who… determined phases for the moon
so that you may know the number of the years (سِّنِينَ).

One of the phases of the moon is the full moon.

Here is the dates of the 33 hot full moons that is the full moons right after the summer solstice from 2001 to 2033. You will know the number of the solar years if you count them, you will not know the number of the so-called lunar years.

05 July. 2001
24 June 2002
13 July. 2003
02 July. 2004
22 June 2005
11 July. 2006
30 June 2007
17 July. 2008
07 June 2009
26 July. 2010
15 July. 2011
03 July. 2012
23 June 2013
12 July. 2014
02 July. 2015
19 July. 2016
09 July. 2017
28 June 2018
16 July. 2019

05 July. 2020
24 June 2021
13 July. 2022
02 July. 2023
22 June 2024
11 July. 2025
30 June 2026
17 July. 2027
07 July. 2029
26 June 2030
15 July. 2031
03 July. 2032
23 June 2033

33 hot full moons = 33 solar years 
…………………………… = 34 lunar years

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Ramadhan 2:185
« on: May 15, 2017, 09:06:34 PM »
From these translations my understanding would be when we sight the full moon we should fast the next day and to complete the period (count) means to complete the count of the moon/month which is 12 days in a year (12 full moon and 12 days fasting in a year).

Sometimes there are 13 full moons in a solar year with 2 full moons in one of its 12 months, like in 2015 with 2 full moons in July, one on July 2 and the other on July 31. Please refer to https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2015&country=74

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Quran and Pedophilia
« on: December 27, 2016, 05:50:12 PM »
    And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]. And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

What the verse says is different
from what the translation says:

...and the waiting period for those who have had no monthly course is three lunar months likewise.   

It is clear that the 3-lunar month (shahr) waiting period is for the two parties
to decide whether they shall divorce or not
rather than to find out whether the wife is pregnant or not.

They already know she is not pregnant,
otherwise
the waiting period would NOT be measured by lunar months,
it would be measured by monthly courses like in 2:228.

This part of the verse is about delayed puberty
which is pathologically considered  the case if the menarche has failed to occur by the age of 18
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_puberty).

The lady marries AND divorces
before her first monthly course.


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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Ramadhan
« on: November 28, 2016, 05:26:48 AM »
... According to what I said, "month of fasting" is not for 30 days as main-stream Muslim scholars are presenting, nor it's for 10 days as "alternative understandings" are tellling - it should be for 40 days or so.

Hello Aladin.

Shahr in فَمَن شَهِدَ مِنكُمُ الشَّهْرَ فَلْيَصُمْهُ is not month, it is full moon. For proof please refer to calendar for year 2015 (http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2015&country=74). As it is seen, there are 13 "shahr"s in the year 2015. So if shahr stood for month lasting some 29.5 days, 13 months would last nearly 384 days. There can never be 384 days in a 365-day year.

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer
« on: May 21, 2016, 08:50:22 PM »
9:36 is stating a simple fact, that the year in God's system is based on the 12 month principal (roughly 360 days).

No,
it does not state 12 shahr is a year- سنة,
it simply states that 12 shahr is the  عدة:

عدة الشهور عند الله اثنا عشر شهرا

سنة is سنة,
عدة is عدة.

Let's stop
mixing them up
and claiming that it is God's ordinance.

Such a year which consists of 12 shahr is null and void,
it is so helpless that it cannot show you the seasons, in other words it has no sense of time.
A year without a sense of time is nothing but a joke.

You cannot make a year out of the shahrs.

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