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I don't get you!
Say, if you as a good person dies what will happen to you?
What is the difference between you and the evil one in the hereafter?

OR
Do we just vanish after this worldly life?

Just for curiosity!

Salaam Shukri,
Just curious, so you don't believe in last day?

Peace

Salaam azizayi,
welcome to the forum. 

Peace

[5:44 We have sent down the Taurat, in it is a guidance and a light; the prophets who have submitted judged with it for those who are Jewish, and the Rabbis, and the Priests, for what they were entrusted of the Book of God, and they were witness over. So do not be concerned with the people but be concerned with Me; and do not purchase with My revelations a cheap price. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the rejecters.5:45 And We have decreed for them in it that a life for a life, and an eye for an eye, and a nose for a nose, and an ear for an ear, and a tooth for a tooth, and the wounds to be impartial; and whoever remits anything of it, then it will cancel sins for him. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.5:47 And let the people of the Injeel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.]

While individuals may prioritize the Quran for clarification, it is important to recognize that consulting other sources can enrich understanding. Engaging with additional human books does not necessarily imply compromise or weaken faith. Different interpretations and scholarly discussions contribute to a comprehensive understanding of the Quranic message.

As long as your idol scholars only use the Quran or other books sent down by Allah to gain understanding, then that's fine. It just like what we have on the most topic in this forum.

Problems will arise if your idol scholars use books like hadiths of Bukhori etc, to gain understanding from the Quran. They and those who follow them will be subject to the following verses:

5:44   We have sent down the Taurat, in it is a guidance and a light; the prophets who have submitted judged with it for those who are Jewish, and the Rabbis, and the Priests, for what they were entrusted of the Book of God, and they were witness over. So do not be concerned with the people but be concerned with Me; and do not purchase with My revelations a cheap price. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the rejecters.

5:45   And We have decreed for them in it that a life for a life, and an eye for an eye, and a nose for a nose, and an ear for an ear, and a tooth for a tooth, and the wounds to be impartial; and whoever remits anything of it, then it will cancel sins for him. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.

5:47   And let the people of the Injeel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.

Now why do you still believe in those who judge not with what God has sent down? Is it because they look pious? holy?

One of the greatest human weaknesses is always trying to cult other people who are considered holy. Jesus became God. The Imam became pure from sin, not to mention the companions of the prophet.

Just follow the book, don't follow the tradition,

2:170   And if they are told: "Follow what God has sent down," they say: "No, we will follow what we found our fathers doing!" What if their fathers did not comprehend anything and were not guided?

Don't believe the propaganda that the people around the prophet had the best understanding. We are all the same as long as we follow God's book.

Just remember, the hypocrites were among the Prophet,

9:101   And from among the Arabs around you are hypocrites, and from among the people of the city, they persist in hypocrisy. You do not know them, but We know them. We will punish them twice, then they will be returned to a great punishment.

And they were the one who changed the prophet's words,

4:81   And they say: "Obedience" but when they come out from being with you a group of them prepares for other than what you have said, and God records what they planned. So turn away from them and put your trust in God. God is enough for your trust.

Who can guarantee you that you are not following the teachings of the hypocrites when drawing on sources other than the Quran?

Is this verse not enough for you?

5:48   And We have sent down to you the Book with the truth, affirming what is between your hands of the Book and superseding it. So judge between them by what God has sent down, and do not follow their desires from what has come to you of the truth...

[3:135 And those who, if they commit immorality, or wrong themselves, they remember God and seek forgiveness for their sins. And who can forgive the sins except God? And they do not persist in what they have done while they know.]

Salaam Hakeema,
Whatever you have done and if you consider it a mistake, then only Allah can forgive it. Here is one verse that might make you relieved,

3:135   And those who, if they commit immorality, or wrong themselves, they remember God and seek forgiveness for their sins. And who can forgive the sins except God? And they do not persist in what they have done while they know.

As long as you don't do it again.

Peace

[29:45 Recite what is inspired to you of the Book and uphold the Commitment, for the commitment prohibits immorality and evil deeds; but certainly the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.]

Salaam,
Don't be bothered by what other people think.

29:45   Recite what is inspired to you of the Book and uphold the Commitment, for the commitment prohibits immorality and evil deeds; but certainly the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.

Just ask yourself,
If your ritual prayer, contact prayer, or whatever your understanding about salat, makes you a good people, prevents the immorality and evil deeds for you, then we are all move in the same direction.

Because I do believe my commitment to what inspired to me from the book will do the same.

Peace

[4:43 O you who believe, do not come near the Commitment while you are intoxicated, until you know what you are saying.]

Salaam,
just a reminder..

4:43   O you who believe, do not come near the Commitment while you are intoxicated, until you know what you are saying.

Don't make commitments to other people while you're drunk, whether it's in business, romance, deals, or anything that requires a commitment.

5:91   The devil only wants to cause strife between you through intoxicants and gambling, and to turn you away from God' reminder and from the Commitment. Will you be deterred?

since you won't remember what you promised, this could lead you to disagreements, away from your commitment (while you're get drunk). Surely you need to know what you are saying..

Peace

[25:33 And for every parable they come to you with, We bring you the truth and the best explanation.]

Salam Sadaqah1,

Please watch the video and give your thoughts. There was an old user on this forum called "Pazuzu" who said something similar back in 2012. https://youtu.be/oZYH2OM_3ZY

I once read some Pazuzu writings and were very interesting. I agree that the land of the prophets was in Yemen.

But I think making the Cube House as the reference is a bad idea.

Allah uses many parables in the Quran to explain His verses,

25:33   And for every parable they come to you with, We bring you the truth and the best explanation.

let me show you a parable regarding the House or Bayt,

29:41 The parable of those who take protectors other than Allah is that of the spider, who builds (to itself) a house<baytan>; but truly the weakest of houses <buyuti>is the spider's house <baytu>;- if they but knew.

So in this parable, god's existence is described as a house. Where the Polytheist belief is likened to a weak house, a spider's house.

29:43  And such are the Parables We set forth for mankind, but only those understand them who have knowledge.

This is not knowledge known by many people.

This verse has described the Polytheism belief as weakest house metaphorically. So we knew that when a verse talk about a house or bayt, followed by a statement regarding either polytheism or monotheism, the house(s) or bayt there must be understood metaphorically.

Let me show you another example,

16:26   Those before them had schemed, so God came to their buildings from the foundation, thus the roof fell on top of them; and the retribution came to them from where they did not know.

16:27   Then, on the Day of Resurrection He will humiliate them, and say: "Where are My partners regarding whom you used to dispute?" Those who have received the knowledge said: "The humiliation today and the misery are upon the rejecters."

Since 16:27 talk abut partner besides Gods, then building in 16:27 is not a physical building. It's a parable for polytheism belief.

Now let me show you the house that is the opposite of this polytheist house,

24:36 In houses that God has permitted to be raised, and His name mentioned in them. He is glorified therein in the mornings and the evenings.

Of course this is not a physical cube house, like the one in Saudi Arabia or whatever is believed to be in Yemen.

This is a monotheism house that was raised by the basics of our father Ibrahim and his son Ismail, regardless their location,

2:127   And it was so, that Ibrahim was raising the foundations for the House, and Ishmael: "Our Lord accept this from us, You are the Hearer, the Knowledgeable."

22:26   And We have appointed to Ibrahim the location of the House: "Do not set up anyone with Me, and purify My House for those who visit, and those who are standing, and the humbling, and the submitting."

So as you can see, THE HOUSE  founded by Ibrahim and Ismail is not a physical house in the form of a cube. But it was a MONOTHEISM HOUSE, a strong house as opposed to a weak polytheist's house which just like a spider house

2:125   And it was so, that We have made the House to be a model for the people and a place of safety.

3:97   In it are clear signs: the station of Ibrahim. And whoever enters it will have safety. And God is owed from the people to make Pilgrimage to the House, whoever can make a way to it. And whoever rejects, then God has no need of the worlds.

What house in this world can provide safety to the people who enter it?

Can all humans in this world enter the house simultaneously to get safe?

What safety can be provided by a cube house in Saudi Arabia?

Only THE HOUSE OF MONOTHEISM  can make everyone who enter it will be safe.

The monotheism house which its foundation was raised by our father Ibrahim and Ismail.

With this understanding, I will re -translate the verse about Mecca for you ...

48:24   And He is the One who withheld their hands against you, and your hands against them in unapparent destruction <bi batni makkata>, after He had made you victorious over them. God is Seer of what you do.

= Miim-Kaf-Kaf = Sucking, Sucking up, Absorbing, drinking up, Destruction/Destroying, diminishing, diminution/failing; failure, to cast, to throw away, to discard, to straighten/tighten or impede/restrict, to beseech/ask/accept, crowding, competition (izdihaam). Makkah (city of).

And also for the Bakkah,

inna
indeed

awwala
Alif-Waw-Lam - its origin or source; his or its original state,

baytin
house (of monotheism)

wudhi'a
Waw-Dad-Ayn = the proper place of a thing.

lilnnāsi
for the mankind

lalladhī
those who

bibakkata
= Ba-Kaf-Kaf (e.g. bakka) = distinguishing/ranking above others

mubārakan
blessed

wahudan
and a guidance

lil'ālamīna
for the worlds.

3:96 Indeed, something that originated from monotheism (baytin) is a proper place for people who in the difference with another (in beliefs), which is blessed, and guidance for whole worlds.

Monotheism that unites all of us, which might comes from different creed and different sharia (ways). Therefore we are called to HAJJ so that each of us realizes that we are not alone in serving God Almighty, God Alone.

In other words, if you deal with another monotheism beliefs, lets get back to the words, There's no God but Allah. No need to argue, especially during Hajj.

And stop seeking for Makka and Bakka city, just translate them as appropriate.. It;s not "where", but it's "what"

Peace

[made some rules to judge the hadith whether this is acceptable or not.]

Salam shaikhrafique,

So, the righteously companions R.A. and the scholars of Islam made some rules to judge the hadith whether this is acceptable or not. And based on this principle, neither every hadith should be rejected and nor is accepted, but should be examined in the light of these principles and also by the secret research that have been made about the narrators?

Did Allah give permission to your "righteously companions R.A. and the scholars of Islam" to make rules that determine what to believe in as laws other than the Quran?

Can you show me a verse of the Quran that gives them the authorization to set the rules like they did? Does Allah mention their names, especially this "righteously companions R.A"  in the Quran?

If you can't, then they are just invented rule that doesn't come from Allah.  And all that results from that rule of course cannot be considered as the Word of God.

Let me remind you again,

5:44 .....And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the KAFIR.

5:45 .....And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the ZALIM.

5:47 ....And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the FASIQ.

Have you decided whether the Quran is enough for you?

[3:7 He is the One who sent down to you the Book, from which there are fixed verses-they are the Mother of the Book-and others which are comparable. As for those who have a disease in their hearts, they follow that of it which is comparable, seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except God, and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say: "We believe in it, all is from our Lord." And none will remember except those who possess intelligence.]

Salam Fusion,

OR You guys are of the opinion that even if we were in his time, the message of God-Quran is to be taken by our own intellect individually and despite seeing prophet actions, we will still interpret the verses based on our own judgement and understanding?

My own belief is that if we were in his time, it would have been more practical life in our daily routines rather than we ponder into the debate of what these verses mean. Like any prophet nations during his life time, we would simply follow the prophet words/actions?

Please advise as per your own understanding if you get my hypothetical question?

3:7   He is the One who sent down to you the Book, from which there are fixed verses-they are the Mother of the Book-and others which are comparable. As for those who have a disease in their hearts, they follow that of it which is comparable, seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except God, and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say: "We believe in it, all is from our Lord." And none will remember except those who possess intelligence.

When this verse was revealed, the prophet Muhammad was still alive. And that did not prevent those whose hearts only have a passion for conflict over interpretations, from imposing their interpretations on others.

The same thing you can probably see to this day, maybe even in this forum.

Allah's instructions are very clear that he is the one who will teach the Qur'an,

55:1   The Almighty.
55:2   He has taught the Qur'an.
55:3   He has created man.
55:4   He taught him the explanations.

What we have to do is consistently study and be patient so that Allah brings the best interpretation,

25:33   And for every example they come to you with, We bring you the truth and the best explanation.

But if you notice that the verses that are always debated are just that.

They only argue for a small portion of the Quran, while most of the verses of the Quran that must be implemented are clear verses (Muhkamat) that talk about the one God, the last day, and how to do good, give money that you love to the needy, feed and clothe the poor and restrain the crime by not eating other people's money in the wrong way, measuring and weighing fairly in business, and so on.

Allah always reminds us to start from something that is easy for us, like the things I mentioned earlier.

73:20   ......So read what is made easy of the Qur'an. He knows that there will be sick among you, and others that go forth in the land seeking from the bounty of God, and others who are fighting in the cause of God, so read what you can of it. ...

Allah knows that our capabilities are not the same. Some are very busy with work, some are sick, and so on. And not everyone is able to dig deep meaning by opening a dictionary, corpus, compiling context, play with numbers, etc, due to limited education and access to knowledge.

Carrying out the Muhkamat verses is super enough to save people from the Hellfire.

Hope this helps.

Peace

[Some think that a person must be a Muslim to enter paradise/heaven, and if not, they will go to Hell once they die]

Salaam Wakas,

Misconception: Must be "Muslim" or you will go to Hell
https://misconceptions-about-islam.com/misconception.php?id=3

Background: Some think that a person must be a Muslim to enter paradise/heaven, and if not, they will go to Hell once they die.

The Quran repeatedly states the criteria for success as monotheism, recognition of accountability and being righteous:

I believe one must be a Muslim to enter Paradise/heaven.

3:85   And whoever follows other than ISLAM as a DINAN, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he is of the losers.

ISLAM = Submitted
MUSLIM = Who Submitted

The problem is who are Muslims?

I'm sure the characteristics you mentioned are Muslims regardless of their creed.

Muslim : The ones who believe in one God, being righteous and believe in hereafter (2:62)

22:78   And strive for God a genuine striving. He is the One who has chosen you, and He has made no hardship for you in the Diin- the creed of your father Ibrahim. He is the One who named you 'those who have submitted' <MUSLIM> from before and in this;

Muslims are not dominated by followers of the Prophet Muhammad alone. But all people who worship the God alone who created the earth and the heaven, be righteous and believe in the last day.

5:111   "And I inspired the disciples (of Isa): 'You shall believe in Me and My messenger;' they said: 'We believe, and bear witness that indeed we are Muslims.'"

The disciples of Isa Son of Maryam are Muslims.

10:84   And Musa said: "O my people, if you believe in God, then put your trust in Him if you are Muslims."

Musa's people were called Muslim if they believe in God.

And many other verses which state that people before us are also called Muslims if they believe in one God.

Something about 5:69 that I used to get  wrong or did not really ponder before is this,:
Who are"THOSE WHO BELIEVE-" at the beginning of the verse?  Do they already believe in GOD, the last day and do good works? Why is GOD then saying to them later in the verse "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN GOD,THE LAST DAY AND DOES GOOD WORK" if He is addressing those who already do?

Also GOD in other verses of Qoran addresses "THOSE WHO BELIEVE" and instructs/ask them to believe in GOD, His messengers and books...etc.
The context and words of GOD s verses are never placed out of place. or contradict.

Salam Good Logic,
Continuing from the explanation above, we understand that the term Muslim cannot be used specifically for us, the followers of the Prophet Muhammad.

Therefore in some verses, Allah calls us "Those who believe".

We've been addressed as "Those who believe" to distinguish to other Muslims such as Muslims of Jews, Muslim of Nazarene, or Muslims of Sabeean..

Let's take one example,

2:183   O you who believe, fasting has been decreed for you as it was decreed for those before you, perhaps you may be righteous.

This verse contains a specific commandment to us, followers of the Prophet Muhammad, to fast (in the month of Ramadan). Of course, this commandment, although it was also given to other peoples before us, may differ in the timing of its implementation. They can fast at different times according to the instructions of their respective books.

And here, we are called as "O you who believe" or "yāayyuhā alladhīna amanu".  You will never find a verse that says, "O who you submitted"

There's no "yāayyuhā alladhīna aslamu".  Since this would be confusing, which Muslim is God referring to?

You can imagine Islam as a "large corporation" which oversees "various subsidiaries" that share the same "company values" with different "standard operating procedures".

The "company values" are,

2:62   Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabians, whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works; they will have their recompense with their Lord, and there is no fear upon them, nor will they grieve.

Islam is the "holding company", and the true monotheist among the Mukmin (prophet Muhammad's followers), Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sabians, etc are "its subsidiaries".

Even though we are all Muslims, our "standard operating procedures" or ways might be different,

5:48. And We have sent down to you the Book with the truth, affirming what is between your hands of the Book and superseding it. So judge between them by what God has sent down, and do not follow their desires from what has come to you of the truth. For each of you We have made a law, and a clear way; and if God had willed, He would have made you all one nation, but He tests you with what He has given you; so race to do good. To God you will return all of you, and He will inform you regarding that in which you dispute......

Of course most people don't know this, and not necessarily that the true monotheism from Christians and Jews will understand if they are "Muslims"

Therefore we, as the readers of the Qur'an who know about this, we be witness over the people, and the Messengers be witness over us,

22:78   ....so let the messenger be witness over you and you be witness over the people.....;

2:143   And as such, We have made you a community (ummat) of the middle way so that you may be witness over the people, and that the messenger may be witness over you.

Hope it helps.

Peace