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Prophets and Messengers / Re: :: Was Muhammed name of a Prophet? ::
« on: May 23, 2013, 03:46:15 PM »
"ONLY thing I said is that Mohammed in The Quran is not a proper name of a person."


Hello again Bender,

And your evidence? It has been rather conclusively proven - it IS a name and not a title.

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: :: Was Muhammed name of a Prophet? ::
« on: May 23, 2013, 03:39:33 PM »


Indeed that's why we: God has selected alddeena for you, so do not die except as muslimoona."

When a disagreement arises, one clarifies where one belongs. Shia, Sunni and etc all call themselves Muslims, but, when you add further identities it instant clarifies who you are and where you belong.

 "O humankind We [God] have created you male and female, and made you into communities and tribes, so that you may know one another. Surely the noblest amongst you in the sight of God is the most godfearing of you. God is All-knowing and All-Aware" (Quran 49:13).



 
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No you did not.
please reread your replys

Yes I did.

Please read reply #174

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: :: Was Muhammed name of a Prophet? ::
« on: May 23, 2013, 03:31:47 PM »
Salaamun alayka,

Indeed, that is what you wish to read.
But I am sorry it's not there.

no problem for me  :handshake:

Salaam,
Bender

Dear one :-),

Often things are implied and not always stated. Else discourse would be infinitive. The above is a simple enough logic. I think I've said enough on it.

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: :: Was Muhammed name of a Prophet? ::
« on: May 23, 2013, 03:28:33 PM »
Peace,

English could be Bender's second language. Although I know that when I'm tired and I've got more to type, I end up making some errors as well.

Salam,

That is why I am correcting him. Reason for asking his age is that I find his reasoning to be quite poor and attitude somewhat immature.

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So the Quran only became legitimate as a divine source because Hadith said so? To me that sounds very far fetched. Or maybe I misunderstood you...

Brother I would like to explain a little about following the Quran only. I apologise if I am patronizing you, it is just that many muslims come on this forum with preconcieved ideas about QA. You seem to be not that kind.....once again I apologize

Rejecting hadith has nothing to do with rejecting history. So far I have not met one QA muslim that completely rejects that prophet Muhammed's history does not exist. We all agree he existed, we all agree he lived in Mecca/Medina and we all agree that he was a prophet of Allah.
I have not met any QA that rejects the history of hadith. We all know they were written by men about 200 years after prophet Muhammed's death.

We do not reject the history of hadith, we reject the divinity of hadith. We do not find any evidence in the Quran, hadith or in the history of Islam that hadith has been authorized by Allah as a divine explanation of the Quran.
We believe in prophet Muhammed and we believe he was the perfect example. What we do not believe in is following what non-prophets are telling us that the prophet of Allah has said, especially when it contradicts the very book written by Allah.

History is written by the winners, brother......just because the winners think something is right doesnt mean it is.

Hi, Good answer :-)

However I disagree.

"So the Quran only became legitimate as a divine source because Hadith said so?"

No. Quran is divine source by itself and by its core nature. Hadith is an essential proof of it.

Quran is not understood by itself. As it is in Arabic, hence knowledge of Arabic is required. Also Hadith show how Quran came about, how it was practised in the early days and etc.

Quran does point to legitimacy of Hadith - that is the authority of Prophet Muhammad.



You say:

"What we do not believe in is following what non-prophets are telling us that the prophet of Allah has said"

Yet it is non-Prophets that have conveyed Arabic and the Quran!

Then, you say:

"especially when it contradicts the very book written by Allah."

No one believes in Hadith that contradict the Quran. That is rather obvious.

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Hi Zone,

What makes you think I haven't read such replies and not read the Quran? Sorry, but quoting bunch of verses is virtually meaningless. Please state your point.

As for saying this:

"ALLAH IS THE ONLY AUTHORITY ON HIS SYSTEM (DEEN)"

Actually, Allah has delegated authority to people too. THe Prophet Muhammad. hence the emphasis on obeying the Prophet. Quran says that from what the messenger forbids do not do it.

"You should accept whatever the Messenger gives you and abandon whatever he tells you to abandon."



Verse 4:65

But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission.

Allah is the Supreme authority. All Muslims acknowledge this. However, it is Allah who created the system as to how universe and the world works.

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Peace,

That excerpt doesn't make sense. The Hadith shouldn't have been collected all those centuries later then and compiled. It should have been done at the same time as the Quran. And how can we ever figure out how the Creator really protects the Quran? The Quran mentions that He simply says Be and it is.

Your 1st reply to me, I did not understand what it was about, sorry. However, I think you will find before Bukhari and other books, Hadith were collected. It was Uthman, the 3rd Caliph that set about to standardise both Quran and Hadith.

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: :: Was Muhammed name of a Prophet? ::
« on: May 23, 2013, 02:46:36 PM »
Salaamun alayka,

RED: thank you  :handshake:
BLUE: prove please

Allah never named you sunni  :nope:

And what do they proof?

Salaam,
Bender

"Allah never named you sunni  :nope:"

Allah never named me Amin, nor British Indian, or various other parts of my identities. 

"And what do they proof?"

I have already told you what they prove. By the way, again your usage of the word 'proof' here is incorrect. It is 'prove' the verb and not proof the noun.

If you don't mind, can I ask how old you are?

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: :: Was Muhammed name of a Prophet? ::
« on: May 23, 2013, 02:42:06 PM »
Salaamun alayka,

 :handshake:
 read the last paragraph in the reply above.

Salaam,
Bender

It is pretty clear, if you read the verses, that plural can only refer to the Prophets BEFORE Noah. Simple logic. In speech, it is not necessary to keep repeating everything, over and over. I fail to see your objections.

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: :: Was Muhammed name of a Prophet? ::
« on: May 23, 2013, 02:39:27 PM »
Salaamun alayka,

Are you correcting Allah now :&

May Allah protect me to go against His ayaats  :pr
Bender

Hello,

I find this response immature. And it doesn't make much sense. How is what I said - in any way correcting Allah?

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