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#1
Quote from: Paradise Aspirer on June 01, 2015, 06:31:45 AM
Well written article Harris.  Very thought provoking.  But I wonder if its a sin even if prophet was not celibate.  The proofs that you gave are not really sufficient to prove that prophet was really celibate. He married many women and we cannot claim something we really are unaware! Does this really matter?

Salaam,

Does this really matter?
For the believer who is convinced about his path, nothing else really matters. But then, when living in a modern world where majority of the people are convinced that Islam is a stone-age religion initiated by barbarians, where Muslims are constantly subjected to ignorant, confusing messages from within the community itself (Ayesha being 8 years old during marriage), it is helpful to know about the history behind the religion and the man who received visions from the Creator of the Universe.

The Prophet "married" many women, but not having children with even one of the later wives is indeed a question mark. Was he practicing birth-control (against the message of the Quran)? Was he impotent? (then how about his daughter with Khadija?)

Regarding we being unaware about the truth, well, one can argue that even the source of the Quran or the virgin birth of Christ cannot be proved. By objectively researching whatever clues we do have available, we can reach conclusions that make sense. If Prophet was indeed chosen by God, then his primary concern in life would only be a duty to God. His life would be very simple, with minimal needs.

  • Adam was paired only with one woman during Creation.
  • Abraham married many since God promised that his seeds were to initiate the community of believers on Earth.
  • Jesus married none, because his life was dedicated to his message alone.
Similar is the case of all messengers. Muhammad never lived like a king. He would not be marrying almost a dozen women (without having any children) only for satisfying his sexual needs, if he were following this long line of holy messengers. He especially could not be having physical relations with so many women while advising his followers to only marry up to 4 women with strict conditions. That kind of message would be hypocrisy. Of course most Muslims don't have an issue with this double-stance coz they've been accepting it as truth their whole lives.

Thus to be a Muslim who holds his Prophet in high regard, one needs to accept the proof that is available and reach valid conclusions.

Peace.


#2
Salaam,

Thank you everyone for the thought provoking answers..

Since the Holy Quran itself has given the wives of the Prophet the title "Mothers of the believers", this may be another proof of them neither having 'normal' marital relations with him nor children of their own. Their role as Mothers of the Believers would have been to solely dedicate their lives to supporting the Prophet in his mission and nothing else. For those of them who wished to live a normal marital life, they were reminded by God that the only way to pursue those wants would be to divorce the Prophet. 

O prophet, say to your wives, "If you are seeking this life and its vanities, then let me compensate you and allow you to go amicably. (33.28)

Peace.
#3
Salaam.

Hadiths teach that the Prophet of Islam was a man who had a dozen wives while living a very active sexual life. But when one examines history, it can be proved logically that the Prophet would have lived a life of celibacy after the death of his beloved wife Khadija.

Looking for rational proof?

1. The Prophet lived most of his life in a monogamous relationship. It seems highly illogical that a man who was in complete peace living only with one woman from the age of 25-50years (his wife was 15 years his senior) , would suddenly become desirous of having multiple sex partners during his senior years. When he was legally entitled to have more than one wife, why did he not pursue that direction earlier in life?

2. None of the Prophet's wives ever became pregnant after marriage to him. Think about it! Is that not an unbelievable situation if the Prophet was indeed having normal marital relationships with them? There can be no question of impotence or sterility on the Prophet's part; his children by Khadija were proof of that. No question either of barrenness on the part of the other wives, since all except Aisha had children by previous husbands. How then did ALL his wives consistently remain childless throughout their marriages with the Prophet?

Thus the only explanation that can be deduced is that the multiply married Prophet remained celibate after the death of his beloved Khadijah. He married women who had no other support in society so as to provide them financial assistance and a secure home, taking care of those who had no other way to take care of themselves; he also agreed to marriages that would help solidify political bonds in order to strengthen the infant Islamic community.




There is but one another rumour of the Prophet's son 'Ibrahim' who was born to him through his 'concubine'- Mariya the Copt, an Egyptian slave whom Muhammad had freed and kept for himself (other sources say she was a gift from the Egyptian ruler, Al-Muqawqis). There are hadiths which try to explain the following story about Mariya:

It was claimed that the Prophet betrayed his own wives when he slept with his concubine Maria in the house of Hafsah on the day he was supposed to be with her. Hafsah became angry and asked:

?in my home, on my bed, during my day??

The Messenger then said that he would never approach Maria again if it would make Hafsah happy and swore an oath that he would never touch Maria again. That is when the Quranic revelation came:

Qur'an 66:1-2?O Prophet! why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you; you seek to please your wives; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Allah indeed has sanctioned for you the expiation of your oaths and Allah is your Protector, and He is the Knowing, the Wise.

Even if this story were to be true, it only shows that the Prophet definitely took oaths of celibacy atleast from one of his partners. On the other hand, one can argue that the Prophet who lived a life of celibacy, fell in love once again much later in life with Mariya the Copt (who was supposedly very beautiful) and became desirous of her to the horror of his other wives. It was their jealousies that lead to Prophet denying himself the love he felt for this women, which was chastised in the Quranic verse.

In either case, since the child of Mariya 'Ibrahim' died at seventeen months old, and it remains unclear if the baby and the relationship itself ever actually existed, in a culture in which sons were considered a sign of their fathers? virility, the whole story could have just been a kind of legendary assurance of the Prophet?s honor.

Too many centuries have passed by to know anything for certain. But one thing is- The Prophet did not marry Ayesha before puberty because he had 'worldly motives'.

As the Orientalist scholar W Montgomery Watt wrote: "Of all the world's great men, none has been so much maligned as Muhammad."

#4
General Issues / Questions / Re: Y are we mum?
January 12, 2015, 06:57:08 AM
Quote from: huruf on January 12, 2015, 05:08:39 AM
Thsi is preposterous, there are hundred of pages of dcondemnations, but the fact is that the main victims of "muslim" terrorism are muslims.



The hypocrisy will continue for years to come untill the voice of the oppressed are louder than the voice of the oppressors. Every time there is an incident like this, the voice of reason from real peace-loving Muslims need to be heard...we need to be heard more than the violent voices of barbarians, more than the international media voices who keep showing a shaded picture... The problem now is that we are under attack from all corners of the world.


When the world does not understand what Islam is about, how is there any hope of a better future?

There is no other choice. The world needs to be constantly reminded who Muslims really are. The only people who can do that are the Muslims who are educated, speak English and come into contact with people of other faiths. The world is becoming an increasingly hostile place for Muslims because the religion of Islam has been hijacked by extremists ages ago.


#5
General Issues / Questions / Re: Y are we mum?
January 12, 2015, 04:20:45 AM
Quote from: FreedomStands on January 12, 2015, 01:27:25 AM
Then again, if this is a thread about asking your mother why you exist "why "are we", mum?", know that it is because Allah made it so.

lol...   ;D
#6
General Issues / Questions / Y are we mum?
January 12, 2015, 01:14:52 AM
Peace,

One of the largest rallies in the history of Europe in recent times has taken place. World leaders have joined to show their solidarity. Media around the world is filled with news and opinions about how freedom of speech is under attack. The Paris attack is the talking point everywhere today.

In all this, the usual accusations we see against Muslims are
-Muslims are unable to peacefully integrate and live in any society that welcomes them
-Islam is an intolerant religion whose followers are brain-washed to commit such atrocities
-Educated and moderate Muslims whose role it is to stand up for the cause of humanity are usually silent when such inhuman attacks occur, which indirectly shows their acceptance of the forces of violence.

This last point seems to be atleast partially true.. Even in this forum, supposedly one of the places where enlightened Muslims come together, there is not a single discussion about these world incidents. Isn't that a pity?  :giveup:



#7
Quote from: Armanaziz on January 09, 2015, 03:23:45 AM
I appologize for picking a slightly older post  to respond. I felt this post was not adequately discussed...

Salam Martha.

I invite you to carefully reinvestigate the terms Iman (faith) and Janna (belief), Mu'min (faithful) and Kafir (repressor).

You have probably got the idea that Qur'an says Allah will burn the unbelievers in hell - which you are finding difficult to understand. I believe if you study diligently you will soon come to the conviction that this is a misconception based on faulty translations. Qur'an does not say this. Neither Arabic root meaning, nor Quranic theorlogy supports the word "kafir" to mean "unbeliever" - rather kafir is somone who represses or suppresses his "faith".

But isn't "faith" (Iman) same as "believing" (Janna)? Absolutely No. Faith is acknowledgement of our relationship with our Creator - that as our solemn "gratitude" towards the One who gave us the life we have an inviolable responsibility to live a responsible life based on the sense of right and wrong He instilled in us. Although I am using the word "He" and "One" it is possible to acknowledge and accept the same relationship without assigning a "Personification" to God. That is exactly what many in the Buddhist and Atheist camp do.

If you ask "an atheist who dedicates his whole life to help other people" why he or she helps others or strives to be a good person - the atheist would probably answer - I do not do this to please any deity, rather I do this for my own satisfaction - I do this because doing this (i.e. being good and helpful) makes me feel complete - it helps me look into the mirror with my head held high.

In other words what they really mean is that "goodness" is a natural instinct built into them. They surrender to this natural instinct. This surrender to ones God gifted instinct is already what is true "submission / islam"; this is already a mark of their "faith" or Iman. Of course, believing in a "personfied" God is more in line with the teaching of the messengers and holy scriptures (including Qur'an), as it is easier for most people to conceptualize God in that way - but in a "personfied" God is by no way a mandatory crieteria for being a Mu'min or faithful. It is theoretically possible for one to be atheist and Mu'min (faithful) and muslim at the same time. There are even Qur'anic examples of such people.

On the otherhand kafir who are condemned to eternal hell are people who (nomatter which religious camp they belong) are ungrateful towards the universal force which created and sustains them - and thereby represses their faith - forces their own soul to believe they have no obligation to act responsibly and morally. Kafir from the atheist camp believe they have no moral responsibility because there is no "God" and the kafir in the religious camp believe they have no moral responsibility as long as they can please their respective "deity" through worship and blind acceptance of customs and practices preached by the clergy of their religion.

Just like a mu'min can belong to a religious or a secular club, a kafir can belong to a religious or a secular club. The differentiating crieteion between a mu'min and a kafir is their faith (acceptance of their obligation to live responsibly), not their belief.

May Allah guide us all to the straight route.

Regards,
Arman

Salaam Arman,
Really good post! I feel enlightened.. Have to admit, that line of thinking makes a lot more sense  :peace:
Keep up the good work.

Peace.
#8
 Salaam,
The writer of these questions has made a fundamental mistake. He assumes that Quranists are wrong in their denial of the Hadiths because the Holy Quran itself refers to outside events and people. That is like saying that modern medicine, iphones and other technological advancements are wrong because we have books that clearly say the Earth was flat or that people were content with Kodak cameras once upon a time!  ;D



Hadithists need to understand that Submitters who follow the Quran alone DO NOT reject history. On the contrary, a rational submitter rejects the interpretation of history as being divine commands from GOD Almighty!

Divine Commands for mankind are only from the Holy Quran and from the remnants of the previous revelations that match each other. Contradictory stories, illogical superstitions and evil propogated in the name of GOD and His messengers is what Quranists reject.

How do we know the truth? Because the truth is the only information that makes absolute sense! It has remained the same from the scriptures revealed to Moses until that revealed to Muhammed. Is that a coincidence?

Such people who reject logic, prefer to live in their blindness by finding 'proof' that others are wrong.

Peace.

#9
Quote from: muftisofti on December 24, 2014, 09:46:21 AM

There is ample evidence that Jesus claimed to be God.

Really???  :hmm :hmm

I've not seen a single one!  :brickwall:
#10
Quote from: Jafar on December 23, 2014, 02:05:23 PM
And What's the True Nature of John The Baptist?

Born from an old maid.. his birth is a greater miracle than merely virgin birth..
Virgin birth is hardly a miracle nowadays.. it can be done... yet old maid birth is still impossible..



Impossible? Old women are giving birth regularly nowadays...  :laugh:
http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-shocking/10-oldest-mothers-to-give-birth/


I still draw attention to this curious verse...
Anyone who opposes God, and His angels, and His messengers, and Gabriel and Michael, should know that God opposes the disbelievers.
(Holy Quran- 2:98)


Is it a coincidence that this verse even remotely resembles the below diagram?



The verse proves that GOD works through His
1) Holy Spirit (Gabriel)
2) Archangel (Michael/ Jesus)
3) Angels
4) Prophets (Noah, Abraham, Moses, Mohammed- one for every nation)


Peace.