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Pilgrimage (Hajj) / Re: God house
« on: January 14, 2011, 10:06:08 AM »
In 2:127, it is said that Abraham was told by God to raise (rafa) rules and regulations (qawaid) from (min) the Bayt (house). Now we all know that a physical building made of brick and mortar can not have some rules or principles attached to it that apply to all mankind in all times but from a single location on earth. Hence, this reference to Bayt in the verse is that of a metaphorical references. It is a spiritual house or a system that God has made for all mankind. This meaning may "overlap" with other words like sharia, deen etc. but may not be exactly similar.

Moreover, Bayt can not be translated as a physical house in the last verse of Surah he is pleading to God to bring all believers of the world into his Bayt. By the time we reach this verse, the whole world has been drowned in a flood already so there is no physical house.

Quran over and over says......DO NOT ASSOCIATE ANYTHING WITH ME.

Pilgrimage (Hajj) / Re: significance of Tawaf
« on: January 14, 2011, 09:53:21 AM »
the word "kaaba" (singular of kaabain) means "ankle/joint" according to 5:6


Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Fasting with diabetes
« on: January 14, 2011, 08:57:24 AM »
If you can not fast, give charity to the needy during the month. There is no compulsion if your health does not allow. God is merciful. Dont risk your life and health.

Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer
« on: January 14, 2011, 08:38:14 AM »
Is it not possible that the verse where it says "black thread from the white thread" is a metaphorical reference towards truth becoming clear from falsehood. Further, eating and drinking may also mean consumption in a metaphorical sense.

In 19:26, Mary has been eating and drinking while in a state of "fasting/sayam"

My personal issue with this is that how come "fasting" which is supposed to make us "righteous/mutaqeen", is used as a punishment by God throughout the Quran. There are many verses where it is said that we should fast based on a prohibited act.

General Issues / Questions / Re: Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah
« on: August 26, 2010, 12:31:35 PM »
I dont get why people who know Arabic tend to think they have better grip over the understanding of the Quran.

"That book has guidance for those who know Arabic"

doesnt exist in the Quran.

General Issues / Questions / Re: Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah
« on: August 26, 2010, 12:29:06 PM »


When you do not understand the difference or accept the difference between a female and male, what is the point in becomming funny about that. He equated Ayat with the Book. I told him Ayat is feminine and Book is masculine, therefore, they can't be one and the same thing and can never be used interchangably.

Let him respond, then I will tell him how much wrong is he in interpreting the same looking words everywhere to mean the same thing. Had he realized that feminine is never like a masculine, he would have clearly understood the meanings everywhere. There is no confusion or no two meanings could be assigned to an Arabic word placed in a sentence since it is tied not only with the previous word but also with the next word. There is a thread discussing only this Root.   

Dude your attitude sucks big time.

It appears that you are just sitting there...waiting to prove anyone or anything wrong so you can score some points.

The Quran clearly says that the messenger reads pages that are purified and in these pages there are books. So whether ayahs or surahs are books or not doesnt matter. Whatever division is there within THE BOOK is the Kutub being referred to here. Just like the means a Library of Books.

General Issues / Questions / Re: Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah
« on: August 26, 2010, 12:10:43 PM »
I accept the Word of Allah and not what I believe to be your misconceived idea of the Word of Allah. In Quran Allah tells me to think and reflect on its verses, that is done using some common sense, which is called common sense as we are all given some, its common. I have seen you here telling someone to NOT use common sense when thinking about an ayat, which is against what Allah said.

I have believed for a while now, and same as szuberi have come to the conclusion that The Quran, or at the very least the Mother of the Book, is comprised of ALL Allah's words that have been given to man and just like as afridi said, its like a super computer and Allah has the hard drive, so when Allah says 'no one can change the words of Allah' He aint kidding, Hes got the hard drive, the whole copy.

People of the book are all of us that listen to Allahs words, not just Christians or Jews, and those verses apply to us all. To imply that The Book is Quran and only Quran IMO is wrong as that is not what Allah says when you look at the whole wood instead of inspecting the bark of the trees individually. That is why this FINAL message is for ALL mankind and confirms what came before it are from Allah are part of this message and that is why they are in this message.

You may be well versed in the Arabic language but your manner and the way you pass that information on is not in any way how you have been told to 'teach' and is not following any prophet that i have heard of. You call people ignorant, stupid, munafiq , claim an Arabic teacher would slap the face of one not getting it and have even claimed that learning Arabic is easy for those who dont have veils on their hearts. this is not for YOU to decide who has a veil on his/her heart or not and you too may very well have one over yours which your apparent arrogance shines through. With a little humility and a bucket of patience you could teach many many people how to understand the Arabic language but instead you have tantrums and call names and fail to have a productive discussion or debate. In your mind you are right and everyone else is wrong and you are not in the least bit 'pliable' nor will you even think for one minute that someone else may have a good point, which many have here.

Arabic script and language is very similar to your own mother tongue, so learning this is much easier for you than someone like me, but I do think that as I said above, you cannot see the wood for the trees.

Excellent Sister

General Issues / Questions / Re: Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah
« on: August 26, 2010, 12:09:44 PM »
You guys are arguing for no reason.

Those who want to continue to believe in four books ONLY can continue with their belief. 2:213 and 6:83-89 tell us otherwise.

Quran has no support of these four books only.

General Issues / Questions / Re: Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah
« on: August 26, 2010, 09:51:28 AM »
Please read this verse:

you who believe; believe in God and His messenger, and the Book which was sent down to His messenger, and the Book which was sent before. And whoever rejects God, and His angels, and His Books, and His messengers, and the Last Day; then he has strayed a far straying (4:136)

In the same verse, the word THE BOOK (Al-Kitab - singular) and Books (Kutub - plural). What does this mean? The answer is given in 98:2-3

?Rasool (messenger) from Allah rehearses purified pages. In them (pages) are BOOKS (kutub) established.?

Each page of the quran is pure. All the pages are purified. A messenger recites from these purified pages. And what are written in the pages??????????..ayats?.verses!!! Each ayat/verse is a BOOK in itself!

General Issues / Questions / Re: Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah
« on: August 26, 2010, 09:40:04 AM »
the word "kutubihi" indeed is a plural of Book but this does not mean that there are several books given to several prophets.

Keep 2:213 and 6:83-89 in mind where the singular and proper THE BOOK is used.

Kutubihi is a reference to the "surahs" that are contained within THE BOOK.

To understand this further, you will have to take out all references of "Alkitab", "Kutubihi", "Kutub", "Torah, Gospel, Psalms" and then do a comprehensive analysis.

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