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Economics Forum / Re: if Riba is not usury, what Riba can be ?
« on: June 03, 2013, 03:34:50 AM »
Jumping in here, and I think I see what you're saying noshirk.

Reading the verses containing the word to me it looks like an excessive addition to a loan/payment or to put it in common terms, ripping people off. Trade is ok, people make profits from trade and that's how trade works. Charging more than is acceptable would be riba. So called Islamic banks just change the name of interest to profit share, the process is no different.

Living in Egypt and being a white foreigner I am quoted a riba amount for most things, I am expected to pay more than a local person so therefore more than is acceptable for trade.

Although I agree on your last statement, there are thousands of 'false sheikhs' peddling their opinions worldwide and making a living from it, religion is not for sale, belief is not for sale.

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Dear Brother do you think or believe that the book Quran as we have today was written by Allah himself?  It was not, it was written by people like you and me.  They wrote it according to the rules of their language, just like every one writes his/her language.

17.88 Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.

11.13 Or they may say, "He forged it," Say, "Bring ye then ten suras forged, like unto it, and call (to your aid) whomsoever ye can, other than Allah!- If ye speak the truth!

10.38 Or do they say, "He forged it"? say: "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!"

2:23-24 And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.

 :peace:

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Are Quran-aloners being arrogant?
« on: January 06, 2013, 04:18:48 AM »
Nothing wrong in reading and following the best of ......... Bukhari, Muslim, Plato, Homer, Hesiod, Aristotle, Patience Strong or your uncle Jack, just don't take it as 'part of religion or Islam'

Concerning stoning in OT, or Torah, yes for certain things, one of which was 'abrogated' or changed to lashing in Quran.

Follow the religion of Abraham...........who was before Moses and any of the books we know of.

 :peace:

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Salamun alaiki,

None of the Muslims claim the Messengers are god in the flesh either.

No but many IMPLY that in some way or other even if only by idolizing him. IMHO.


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There seems merely difference of angle. None has said that the Messenger is God personified. Mercy-رَحْمَةً is a verbal noun that shows a state.
Embodiment signifies:
1.[n]  giving concrete form to an abstract concept
2.[n]  a concrete representation of an otherwise nebulous concept; "a circle was the embodiment of his concept of life"
3.[n]  a new personification of a familiar idea; "the embodiment of hope"; "the incarnation of evil"; "the very avatar of cunning"

It cannot be stretched as you have stretched it to denote.

"Person of the Leader of Humanity, the Messenger and Personification of the Infinite Mercy of Allah the Exalted. "

personified  past participle, past tense of per?son?i?fy (Verb)
Verb
Represent (a quality or concept) by a figure in human form.
Attribute a personal nature or human characteristics to (something nonhuman).


per?son?i?fi?ca?tion  [per-son-uh-fi-key-shuh n]  Show IPA
noun
1. the attribution of a personal nature or character to inanimate objects or abstract notions, especially as a rhetorical figure.
2. the representation of a thing or abstraction in the form of a person, as in art.
3. the person or thing embodying a quality or the like; an embodiment or incarnation: He is the personification of tact.
4.an imaginary person or creature conceived or figured to represent a thing or abstraction.
5.the act of personifying.


Sorry maz but this is no different to how later Christians ran away with the idea that Jesus was God in the flesh or/and His son, which was also NOT said but could be 'implied'.

I am only telling you what I see as a native English speaker  :peace:

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Salamun alaiki,

You may please overlook this part so that I can have feedback of you on the main body of article. However, some of the translations about this issue are hereunder---Ayah 21:107

Muhammad Asad   And [thus, O Prophet,] We have sent thee as [an evidence of Our] grace towards all the worlds.    M. M. Pickthall   We sent thee not save as a mercy for the peoples.   
Shakir   And We have not sent you but as a mercy to the worlds.   
Yusuf Ali   We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures.   
Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar   And We sent thee not but as a mercy for the worlds.   
Wahiduddin Khan   We have sent you forth as a mercy to all mankind.   
T.B.Irving   We have merely sent you as a mercy for [everybody in] the Universe.   
[Al-Muntakhab]   We did not send you O Muhammad for a reason other than to symbolize, and serve as an embodiment of mercy which Allah has extended to all His creatures,

Yes I agree, there are others who add words that aren't there to claim the messenger is God 'personified' too but the next verse shows his mission.

Say: "What has come to me by inspiration is that your Allah is One Allah: will ye therefore bow to His Will (in Islam)?"

Just as all the other prophets, including the Word of Allah and the Messiah, were only men used to bring a message, so was this one. We make no distinction among them (and we do not claim they are God in the flesh either - or His son)
 :peace:

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Salamun alaiki,

Thanks.

As ever a struggle to read and aside from the messenger being God in person, some of that does actually make sense!  :peace:

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Salamun alaiki,

Thanks.

Now I wish I hadn't clicked and I've only read the first bit!

"This Subject was also chosen by some Psychological manipulators with tilted psyche and self nurtured disease of animosity, jealousy, bias, envy, and aversion against the Person of the Leader of Humanity, the Messenger and Personification of the Infinite Mercy of Allah the Exalted. "

You appear to have made the messenger God in the flesh.  :peace:

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peace,

if i read this ayat/verse, without the brackets, i understand: the prophets taking the covenant of Allah, are asking the followers: "i have given u the Book and the wisdom from Him." 

"later, a messenger as conformer of the wisdom u have, will  come."  "u - the followers, firmly believe and assist the messenger." "So, will u adhere and agree this", said the prophet.  the followers answered "yes, we'll adhere".  then the prophet said, "bear witness, and i'll also be a witness among witnesses".

i understand that every prophet, say these words, to their followers.  as, the messengers will be coming till the judgement day to prove the Ayats of Koran.

note: i'm new to Koran.  i read in my native language.  i come from an idol worshiping family.  i left idol worshiping after reading Koran.  Koran gives me so much meaning to my life.

Salam DrGm

This is spoken to the prophets by God, not to the followers by the prophets as I understand it. An agreement between God and His prophets, although the following verse leads me more to confusion as it's talking about turning back after this leads to transgression, which one would assume prophets wouldn't do.

As this is being spoken TO a particular prophet telling him of what was past (covenant with previous prophets) I don't agree with the majority that this was also taken with THAT prophet, although I'm open to learning on that one!

That said, I also don't understand how dead prophets can 'believe and assist' a living one that comes after them, so you might actually have a good point.

 :peace:






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In this quote above, Abu Hurayrah does not seem to remember that each good deed will be rewarded by 10x (ten times) from Allah and even though his friend reminded him, he did not change his mind and still rely on his memory.  He had such a good memory for hadith and he related so much of them.  However, it seems that he totally missed this verse from the Quran

The Quran is clear on this issue... So, the question is, did Abu Hurayrah memorized/know the Quran??

Bold is from me  :peace:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet () said, "Solomon (the son of) David said, 'Tonight I will sleep with seventy ladies each of whom will conceive a child who will be a knight fighting for "Allah's Cause.' His companion said, 'If Allah will.' But Solomon did not say so; therefore none of those women got pregnant except one who gave birth to a half child." The Prophet () further said, "If the Prophet () Solomon had said it (i.e. 'If Allah will') he would have begotten children who would have fought in Allah's Cause." Shuaib and Ibn Abi Az-Zinad said, "Ninety (women) is more correct (than seventy).
Reference    : Sahih al-Bukhari 3424
In-book reference    : Book 60, Hadith 96
USC-MSA web (English) reference    : Vol. 4, Book 55, Hadith 635

Narrated Abu Huraira:
(The Prophet () ) Solomon son of (the Prophet () ) David said, "Tonight I will go round (i.e. have sexual relations with) one hundred women (my wives) everyone of whom will deliver a male child who will fight in Allah's Cause." On that an Angel said to him, "Say: 'If Allah will.' " But Solomon did not say it and forgot to say it. Then he had sexual relations with them but none of them delivered any child except one who delivered a half person. The Prophet () said, "If Solomon had said: 'If Allah will,' Allah would have fulfilled his (above) desire and that saying would have made him more hopeful."
Reference    : Sahih al-Bukhari 5242
In-book reference    : Book 67, Hadith 175
USC-MSA web (English) reference    : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 169

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger () said, "(The Prophet () ) Solomon once said, 'Tonight I will sleep with ninety women, each of whom will bring forth a (would-be) cavalier who will fight in Allah's Cause." On this, his companion said to him, "Say: Allah willing!" But he did not say Allah willing. Solomon then slept with all the women, but none of them became pregnant but one woman who later delivered a halfman. By Him in Whose Hand Muhammad's soul is, if he (Solomon) had said, 'Allah willing' (all his wives would have brought forth boys) and they would have fought in Allah's Cause as cavaliers. "
Reference    : Sahih al-Bukhari 6639
In-book reference    : Book 83, Hadith 18
USC-MSA web (English) reference    : Vol. 8, Book 78, Hadith 634

Narrated Abu Huraira:
(The Prophet () ) Solomon said, "Tonight I will sleep with (my) ninety wives, each of whom will get a male child who will fight for Allah's Cause." On that, his companion (Sufyan said that his companion was an angel) said to him, "Say, "If Allah will (Allah willing)." But Solomon forgot (to say it). He slept with all his wives, but none of the women gave birth to a child, except one who gave birth to a halfboy. Abu Huraira added: The Prophet () said, "If Solomon had said, "If Allah will" (Allah willing), he would not have been unsuccessful in his action, and would have attained what he had desired." Once Abu Huraira added: Allah apostle said, "If he had accepted."
Reference    : Sahih al-Bukhari 6720
In-book reference    : Book 84, Hadith 13
USC-MSA web (English) reference    : Vol. 8, Book 79, Hadith 711


The judgment of Soloman
1 Kings
3:16 Then came there two women, that were harlots, unto the king, and stood before him.

17 And the one woman said, O my lord, I and this woman dwell in one house; and I was delivered of a child with her in the house.

18 And it came to pass the third day after that I was delivered, that this woman was delivered also: and we were together; there was no stranger with us in the house, save we two in the house.

19 And this woman's child died in the night; because she overlaid it.

20 And she arose at midnight, and took my son from beside me, while thine handmaid slept, and laid it in her bosom, and laid her dead child in my bosom.

21 And when I rose in the morning to give my child suck, behold, it was dead: but when I had considered it in the morning, behold, it was not my son, which I did bear.

22 And the other woman said, Nay; but the living is my son, and the dead is thy son. And this said, No; but the dead is thy son, and the living is my son. Thus they spake before the king.

23 Then said the king, The one saith, This is my son that liveth, and thy son is the dead: and the other saith, Nay; but thy son is the dead, and my son is the living.

24 And the king said, Bring me a sword. And they brought a sword before the king.

25 And the king said, Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one, and half to the other.

26 Then spake the woman whose the living child was unto the king, for her bowels yearned upon her son, and she said, O my lord, give her the living child, and in no wise slay it. But the other said, Let it be neither mine nor thine, but divide it.

27 Then the king answered and said, Give her the living child, and in no wise slay it: she is the mother thereof.


Great memory - NOT.

 :peace:

PS the King in the above is King Soloman

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