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I came across this site which is very interesting. Among other things, many interesting conclusions are mentioned. Especially the map is interesting. I have not gone further to investigate how much credibility there is in these ancient maps but if it is true then it supports what is mentioned in verses 37: 137-138 "they passed by their ruins day and night".


Have you read the book? If so, you can share the author's most important positions on the Qur'an.

I humbly thank you for your comments, may God expand your knowledge.

In light of this theme, I came up with another follow-up question. For me, verses are clear in their message however it raises other thoughts that require answers. The Arabs, although if we assume that they are descended from the bloodline of Ismael a.s., for 3000 years did not have a prophet before Muhammad a.s. but the question is why was it so.

What's the reason for that?

One explanation may lie in that they were small tribes that were on foot all the time – nomads (mobile tribes). They did not live in cities and were not a homogeneous composite ethnic group until a few hundred years before Muhammad a.s. This brings me to the next logical question: if they were not cohesive for so many years and were constantly on the move as nomads and that they began to form as a ethnic group a few generations before the last prophet's time how can one claim that the Kaaba and hajj have something to do with them if the hajj is linked to Ibrahim's a.s. time since 4000 years back in time?

The Qur'an uses 57 times the root qaf-ra-ra as from which the word el-qurā comes from and which means cities or larger communities. The verse in 6:131 says

"That is because your Lord was not to destroy any towns (el-qurā) because of its wickedness while its people were unaware (gafilun)."

We see the context now: God's prophets are always sent to people in cities or larger communities who are unaware (gafilun) of what they do.

Only then they will be punished if, after warning and clear evidence, if they deliberately ignore the message. This is also evidence that the Arabs did not meet the condition of receiving a warner among them during the time when they were small, separated, traveling tribes until they began to group themselves into larger communities in a fixed place (city).

But what's the deal with Mecca and Kaaba?

Purely qur'anic, Mecca as the name is only once named in the Qur'an and it is in verse 48:24 that is about battle.

”And He is the One who withheld their hands against you, and your hands against them in the interior of Mecca (bi batni mekkete), after He had made you victorious over them. God is Seer of what you do.”

As for the Kaaba, the Quran refers to it in total three times in the same chapter Al-Maida using verses 6, 95 and 97. These verses have nothing to do with hajj because the word hajj is not added at all here. On the other hand, in verses that speak of the hajj in Qur'an, neither Mecca nor Kaaba is used as word expression.

My initial thought is that Arabs, given their longstanding travel in history, were influenced by the rituals of other peoples and they began to apply these rituals in their great communities to worship their own gods. Their rituals have nothing to do with the original hajj that Ibrahim was instructed to do because nowhere in the Qur'an is referred to as the hajj along with the Kaaba or Mecca.

Selam Layth

Thanks for your comment.

Just a side question. Where are the remnants of this city geographically as they passed it both day and night - where would you place it?

Qur'an that tells us about the people to whom the last prophet Muhammad a.s. belonged and gives us insight and information about the ancestors of his people and about Muhammad's personality before he began to receive God's proclamation. Here are verses illustrating it:
12:3 We narrate to you the best stories through what We have inspired to you in this Qur'an; and before it you were of those who were unaware.

28:46 And nor were you on the side of the mount when We called. But it is a mercy from your Lord, so that you may warn a people who received no warner before you, perhaps they may take heed.

32:3 Or do they say: "He fabricated it!" No, it is the truth from your Lord, so that you may warn a people who never received a warner before you, in order that they may be guided.

34:44 We had not given to them any books to study, nor did We send to them before you any warner.

36:6 To warn a people whose fathers were not warned, for they are unaware.

42:52 And thus, We inspired to you a revelation of Our command. You did not know what was the Book, nor what was faith. Yet, We made it a light to guide whoever We wish from among Our servants. Surely, you guide to a straight path.

93:7 And He found you lost, and He guided you?
The following can be summarized about Muhammad a.s. and his people from the Qur'an:

- That Muhammad, as a man before the Qur'an was completely demeaning, lost and that he had no knowledge of god-spirited writings.
- That Muhammad's people before him never had anyone else who came before to warn them and guide them in the right path.
- That the people of Muhammad had no god-spirited writings before the Qur'an.
- that to Muhammad's ancestors before him, no one came to warn them.

The Qur'an excludes any possibility that among the people of Muhammad or his ancestors there were one or more messengers of God who had previously admonisheed his people, who had previously taught them true faith, or who had previously left some god-spirited scriptures that they could follow and correct.
It seems to me that Quran rejects the claim that today's Kaaba (arabic: الكعبة al-Ka’bah, "cube") in Mecca was built by Abraham and Ishmael.
If, on the other hand, we were to accept that today's Kaaba is that house or bejt (مالبيت) from verse 2:127 built by Abraham and Ishmael, it would mean that two of God's prophets stayed and settled in the areas where Muhammad's people lived for centuries, which leads to the inevitable conclusion that two of God's prophets had a messenger's and prophetic mission among these people which would ultimately undermine verses in the Qur'an that speak of the opposite.

Hajj is something that Qur’an binds to Abraham a.s. as the messenger of God and if the Hajj would be geographically related to today's Mecca and thus to the ancestors and the people to whom Muhammad a.s. belong then it would mean that his people had the knowledge of the correct faith that they got through Ibrahim a.s. and Ismael a.s. which would be contrary to those verses which say that no one came to that people and ancestors before Muhammad a.s. Furthermore, over the course of 3,000 years, this people would then deviate from the right path, which would require God to send new people from their people to warn them and guide them to the right path in the same way as it was done with the ahlul-kitab. This would again mean that Muhammad a.s. is not the first messenger sent to his people which is meaningless because the verses say the opposite.

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