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Introduce Yourself / Re: I've become an Eastern Orthodox Christian!
« on: July 11, 2020, 11:26:56 PM »

Could you please give me an example of a factual error in the Quran? What did you exactly mean?

Introduce Yourself / Re: I've become an Eastern Orthodox Christian!
« on: June 29, 2020, 03:08:00 PM »

If a false teaching can lead people to God's truth, then even bible can be a false teaching. Or any other book. While, from the other side any of them can be true. It's all simply just assumptions and following one's feelings.

But, a more important thing is WHY would God give such a complex system of finding out the truth, so that only few people are able to find it. Billions of people who think they are rightly guided and all of them believe different stuff. I mean, who can claim they are 100% right.

Introduce Yourself / Re: I've become an Eastern Orthodox Christian!
« on: June 29, 2020, 10:53:21 AM »
Hello dear brother

In my opinion, numbers and codes in the holy books were never intended by God. Especially because the Quran was not given as a whole book, but it was being collected and who knows how many things were lost, added or changed. There are differences in multiple Qurans (not just huruf, but different words and meanings, different number of verses...). People were putting verses and surahs in any place they wanted. So how on earth then you could take number of some verse, surah, or number of times some word was mentioned as relevant? :)

Second thing, if that verse about Jesus brought you to Christianity, then you admit Quran is true. If it's true, then Jesus is not God or son of God. But if Quran is a false book, then how can you use it's code 19 to prove anything?

The way you are describing your conversion and finding the truth is the same for everyone in every other religion. All of them had an opened heart, looking for the truth, researching, enlightenment, signs, dreams etc. Even Christians who become muslims say that Jesus led them to islam. And everyone thinks they are rightly guided and special.

So basically, after all these years I don't rely on personal experiences.

Life provides us with teachings through both pain and pleasure. Going through these events is what makes us or breaks us. It changes us for the better or the worse depending on how we face these events.

Both pain and pleasure are neither good nor bad. If you call pleasurable things good and painful things bad you are deeply mistaken.

So we should not feel sorry when someone is in pain. Then why should we help anyone to get better in any situation?

General Issues / Questions / Re: Gratefulness to God
« on: May 25, 2020, 04:15:39 AM »
tutti fruti

Actually those verses that you mentioned..I had problem with understanding that as well.

Because, how can you be thankful if you don't know if what happened happened because of your prayer? Sometimes I ask for something, and it happens, then I'm happy and thankful, and then after some time I see it wasn't actually what I thought it was. So, you get confused.

 For example if you ask for rain, and it rains, but maybe it's not because of your prayer. Maybe it would rain anyway, or for some other reason. So how will you be specifically thankful? Or you don't know the intention towards you..whether it is mercy or not. Because some verse said that God gives property and children to certain people only to make them sin more...

I don't just makes sense to be thankful if someone really helped you sincerely. Like, when God protected the prophets with his mercy, there it's very easy and logical to feel thankful. But about general blessings.. you might say thank you God, but you dont even know if this was given to you as a mercy, or if it was given because you asked for it..or it's only fitnah. Then how can you feel happy getting a blessing if it's only fitnah

Questions/Comments on the Quran / Meaning of some Quranic words
« on: May 23, 2020, 12:58:09 PM »

Some native Arab speakers who can give me explanation of the words used in the verse 57:14?

General Issues / Questions / Gratefulness to God
« on: May 23, 2020, 12:44:16 PM »

About gratefulness towards God.. Before I've been thinking different and I was able to feel grateful in a simple way. I thought that everything I get is mercy and with love from God. After I read some Quran verses, that everything is fitnah I can't have the same feeling anymore. Sometimes it's even given with bad intention.

Some of the examples
Verse 64:15 Your property and children are only a trial (if it's only a trial then it's not simply a gift with love, if it's not a gift or a reward how can you be grateful?)

Verse 39:49 And when adversity touches man, he calls upon Us; then when We bestow on him a favor from Us, he says, "I have only been given it because of [my] knowledge." Rather, it is a trial, but most of them do not know. (If you asked, and it was given to you, but not as a mercy..then how to feel grateful? If you ask a person for help, and they help you, but they feel no good and kind intention towards you how will you feel?)

So my problem now is how can you be grateful if something was not given you with love in the first place, or you cannot be sure about the intention towards you. If you get my point. Imagine your friend gives you a gift, and he says this is only to see if you will be gratefull. How will you feel? Will you be able to be grateful?

General Issues / Questions / Re: Deleting good deeds
« on: May 23, 2020, 11:06:15 AM »
Salam and thanks everyone for answers

Jkhan, hmm I know.. but I mean what if in everyday life we do something which is also not big, or we think it's not big and then we lose our deeds? Just like they didn't know it was so important..

And then how can you relax through life if you're not safe from losing good deeds. Deeds are everything you have in order to be ok in the afterlife..

General Issues / Questions / Re: Deleting good deeds
« on: May 19, 2020, 03:09:54 AM »
What's bothering me is the verse number 2, Surat Hujurat:

O you who have believed, do not raise your voices above the voice of the Prophet or be loud to him in speech like the loudness of some of you to others, lest your deeds become worthless while you perceive not.

This is not shirk, or some other big sin (kebire, for which there is punishment mentioned in Quran) but still it seems it will cancel all the good deeds. You can stay away from one thing, but how to stay away from endless stuff that you mistake every day while you don't even pay attention...

General Issues / Questions / Deleting good deeds
« on: May 13, 2020, 02:48:11 PM »

In the holy Quran, there are many verses that say all good deeds will be nullified if a person commits big sin. But in some verses it says that the good deeds of the believers will be nullified (for stuff that are obviously not big sins, technically it's not even sin) like, if they raise their voice above the prophet's voice. My question is, are all good deeds going to be nullified or just some of them.. And also, we are able not to do great sins, like murder. We can protect ourselves from that and losing our deeds, but if even small stuff can be the reason to lose all your deeds then it's impossible to bring anything to the day of judgement. On the other hand, there are verses that say that small sins will be forgiven if we stay away from the big ones. Then this seems like a contradicttion.. Will small sin be forgiven, or it will delete all your good deeds? I'm confused

(Somebody might say raising voice above prophet's voice is a big thing. I agree, but in every day life we say or do stuff without paying attention and we tend to to not make similar mistakes?)

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