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General Issues / Questions / Re: Jesus Christ vs Issa ibn Mariam
« on: September 11, 2019, 02:05:54 PM »
theNabster, I don't mean to derail the primary subject of this thread. I wanted to get your opinion on present day 'Mecca.' What do you make of it? Do you believe this is where the Prophet (S) is from and where the Hajj should be conducted? Look forward to hearing your reply InshaAllah.

Also, if you have any links/books, that'd be great as well.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Bakka/Mecca
« on: May 13, 2019, 06:13:19 AM »
Salaam All,
Here is another possible rendering of 2:158:

إِنَّ الصَّفَا وَالْمَرْوَةَ مِنْ شَعَائِرِ اللَّهِ فَمَنْ حَجَّ الْبَيْتَ أَوْ اعْتَمَرَ فَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْهِ أَنْ يَطَّوَّفَ بِهِمَا وَمَنْ تَطَوَّعَ خَيْرا ً فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ شَاكِرٌ عَلِيم ٌ
'Inna Aş-Şafā Wa Al-Marwata Min Sha`ā'iri Allāhi Faman Ĥajja Al-Bayta 'Aw A`tamara Falā Junāĥa `Alayhi 'An Yaţţawwafa Bihimā Wa Man Taţawwa`a Khayrāan Fa'inna Allāha Shākirun `Alīmun

Indeed, the stone and the rock outcropping are among the symbols of God. So whoever makes Pilgrimage to the Sanctuary, or is merely passing through, commits no error should he traverse them. And whoever donates for goodness, then God is Thankful, Knowledgeable.

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/roots/Sad-Fa-Waw.html?fbclid=IwAR2LRRQWS1lTZA4waBvFTz2iF9bJnzvMqCnuemjVdPDRkH68o6qutuuEgsk

This seems to fit more in line with Jerusalem. Any thoughts?



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General Issues / Questions / Re: Bakka/Mecca
« on: May 10, 2019, 02:11:56 PM »
Because by that time the Abbasid Empire need to invent a religion to unite and control it's populace.

It seems strange that people could believe Abraham built a structure in Mecca and mandated everyone within his clan to annually go there.
That is if it's the same Abraham as Abraham whose remain supposedly being buried in Hebron.

The (straight line) distance from Hebron to Mecca is 1250 KM.
The terrain is unforgivable, passing through the arid desert, thus one need to carry their own logistics from home, no chance of resupplying at rest area or nearest 7 eleven.

Given there were no airplane, fast train or car, the only viable means of transportation is by walking leveraging mule or camel to carry burden of baggage of logistics. At maximum speed it's 5 KM / hour.
By assuming 8 hours per day of walking, per day it's 40 KM of distance.
Thus it need around at least 31 days of dangerous travel to go one way and another 31 days of dangerous travel back home.
If the entire clan need to go there every year, they lost at least 2 months a year just for pilgrimage.
Not to mention the perils of raid and robber invading their home while they're away for 2 months..

This annual 'ritual' of pilgrimage will be suicidal for the entire clan..

Plus there aren't any record of such massive travel happened anyway...

Choosing another location nearby for annual meetup is much smarter and realistic decision...

All valid points brother. In addition, if Abraham (as) created the first temple at Mecca, how come there is no mention of any succeeding Prophets performing pilgrimage to there? David (as), Moses (as), Jesus (as), etc.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Bakka/Mecca
« on: May 10, 2019, 12:48:12 PM »
The historical, geographical, and archaeological facts all seem to weigh against Mecca and heavily favor Jerusaelm/Bacca. To reiterate, if Mecca was identified as Umm al-Qurā, "Mother of All Cities/Settlements," how come it is not shown on any map until roughly the 7th century?

This link provides a exhaustive and comprehensive view on historicity of Mecca from classical writers:
STUDIES BY CLASSICAL WRITERS SHOW THAT MECCA COULD NOT HAVE BEEN BUILT BEFORE THE 4TH CENTURY A.D.
By Dr. Rafat Amari

http://rrimedia.org/Worldviews/Islam/History-of-Islam/studies-by-classical-writers-show-that-mecca-could-not-have-been-built-before-the-4th-century-ad

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Bakka/Mecca
« on: May 09, 2019, 09:43:59 AM »
Indeed, all my years of studying this topic have only added to reinforce the finding that Jerusalem is Bakka and it is the center of Pilgrimage for all mankind...

Salaam brother Layth. Thank you for responding. Does this also mean that Jerusalem is the Qibla for Muslims?


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General Issues / Questions / Re: Bakka/Mecca
« on: May 08, 2019, 07:09:10 AM »
Salaam All,
Thank you for your comments and reply on this topic. I went for Umrah about 4 years ago, and when I entered Mecca, I did not feel any sense of spiritual upliftment. There was even a point I was in close proximity to the Kaaba and I felt a sense of indifference and apathy.

I have been researching Dan Gibson's theory about Petra and Mecca. Could it be possible that the Mecca of today is not the Mecca of the Prophet (S) and the Mecca mentioned in the Qur'an? If Mecca was such a important and significant city, how come it doesn't appear on any maps until the 7th or 8th centuries respectively?

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Bakka/Mecca
« on: May 07, 2019, 12:10:36 PM »
Salaam all,
This was a very informative thread to peruse. Based off the first post by Layth, does this mean that the true Pilgrimage is to Jerusalem and not the current day Mecca?

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