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Introduce Yourself / Re: Where are you from?
« on: December 04, 2014, 06:13:17 PM »

It would be interesting to find out if this is a forum that mostly has people from western countries.

Leading on from that, as a non-Muslim, I would be interested how people on this forum feel about the responsiveness towards their beliefs in their region as Muslim "Reformists". Do you feel you have to be cautious about your level of openness due to opposition?

Is there rapidly increasing openness towards the values of this forum?


Salaam Zack
Welcome to the forum. Good to hear your views. On the contrary, while Paul may not have directly subscribed to a trinitarian god, the way he proclaimed worship left no other choice for the believers. Paul, writing to believers, encouraged them to worship in a Trinity in 2 Corinthians 13:14:
?The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.?

Isn't this the basis of today's idol worship ?

No, those words  are not the reason for non-Tauhid doctrines in Christianity. The global guardians of the Tauhid faith at the time of Paul, the Hebrew community in Jerusalem and the "Hawariyuun", never once accused Paul of departing from pure Tauhid. (they accused him of departing from their "Sharia Law", and he denied it). (Acts 21:20)

The reason for the Greek speaking community of faith (Catholic church) departing from true Tauhid was it disconnected itself from its roots, and called themselves the true church / "ummah." This is the equivalent of the Japanese picking up a Quran, not knowing context, and declaring themselves as the true interpreters. They would have know idea!

A Muslim reads words Father , son, Holy Spirit... and reads that through a Catholic interpretation. For Paul and the Hawariyuun, God is ONE, and in their culture were scared to say the Hebrew name of God so not to blaspheme God. As a replacement, they used Father..... there is no other god but God (Allah in Arabic)... Paul quotes this as the Shahadat (1 Cor 8.4). The word Father was chosen because it is diverse in how it could be used, and reflected God's love and compassion.

Great to hear from you as well. If you are reading in English, can I suggest the "Tauhid" friendly Bible, it is the one that does not have a Trinitarian bias in the translation.


Introduce Yourself / Re: I'm a new, self-professed "Believer"
« on: November 10, 2014, 10:09:13 PM »
A 4 year old post but still inspires! I wonder what the journey of "Liberalbelief" (and Rev John) has been since 2010?

Hello all,

This is my first post here. Introducing myself, I am a "Christian Tauhid", and interested in your forum. A quick response re the discussion concerning Noah's age...... I believe an interpretation of the Qur'an needs to be done in unity with all the Holy Books. Those passing information down for thousands of years believed that Noah was nearly 1000 years old. For a Muslim to say that the Qur'an intended  something totally different is going to cause all sorts of problems. You can't create the message of the Qur'an in opposition to previous revelation.

Just another point of clarification on this thread, Paul was definitely NOT a Trinitarian. That theology evolved over centuries long after the life of Paul.


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