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Bro ThelosttruthsofIslam,

I'm try to solve three issues mentioned in your posting:

First Issue: How does staying hungry and thirsty make you and I pious and God fearing? If that was the case, then all the homeless people would be the most pious and God fearing ones among us, wouldn’t they?

The answer: My answer already given in my Reply #13

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Second Issue: Then, I am going to read the below two verses, which prove without a doubt that when Quran mentions “Yom” or “AYYAM” for fasting or as you mentioned abstinence, it clearly means a 24-hour period of both “day” and “night” NONSTOP.
1) He said, "My Lord, make for me a sign." He said, "Your sign is that you will not (be able to) speak to the people for three  ay’yam (days plus nights; 72 hours NONSTOP) except by gesture. And remember your Lord much and glorify in the evening and the morning." (3:41)
2) (Zechariah) said, "My Lord, make for me a sign." He said, "Your sign is that you will not speak to the people for three nights, (while being) sound.“ (19:10)

The answer: I use Al-Muzzammil method to prove that verse 3:41 has a missing words of "at night"
https://al-muzzammil.com/relevance_miracle/19_based_calc.html

Now see the Code below:
3:41 He said, "My Lord, make for me a sign." He said, "Your sign is that you will not speak to the people for three ay’yam (?) except by gesture. And remember your Lord much and glorify in the evening and the morning."
103 ... gv for "at night" بالليل
--> 103 341 = 5439 x 19
Position 9 (Provision)
Level 4 (Verses which can be extrapolated)
(Indication: The verse 3:41 should be read as ... He said, "My Lord, make for me a sign." He said, "Your sign is that you will not speak to the people for three ay’yam (at night) except by gesture. And remember your Lord much and glorify in the evening and the morning.")

Therefore the word "three ay'yam" in verse 3:41 is not contradict to words "three nights" in verse 19:10!

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Third Issue: The words "أَيّامًا مَعدودٰتٍ" mentioned in verse 2:184

The answer: I use Al-Muzzammil method to prove that أَيّامًا مَعدودٰتٍ (specific/limited/a few days) are meant for "three days"

(Code 1) ... Using the first words of "three days" mentioned in the quran i.e. Verse 2:196
2:184 Specific days (days numbered/a certain days/a few numbered/limited days); if one is ill or traveling, an equal number of other days may be substituted. Those who can fast, but with great difficulty, may substitute feeding one poor person for each day of breaking the fast. If one volunteers (more righteous works), it is better. But fasting is the best for you, if you only knew.
2:196 You shall observe the complete rites of Hajj and`Umrah for God. If you are prevented, you shall send an offering, and do not resume cutting your hair until your offering has reached its destination. If you are ill, or suffering a head injury (and you must cut your hair), you shall expiate by fasting, or giving to charity, or some other form of worship. During the normal Hajj, if you break the state of Ihraam (sanctity) between `Umrah and Hajj, you shall expiate by offering an animal sacrifice. If you cannot afford it, you shall fast three days during Hajj and seven when you return home - this completes ten - provided you do not live at the Sacred Masjid. You shall observe God, and know that God is strict in enforcing retribution (The first verse in the quran mentioned wordings "three days")
--> (184) + (196) = 380 = 20 x 19 (verses without chapters)
Position 0 (Wild Card) ... All positions 1-9 are applicable
Level 3 (Include Missing Information)
(Indication: Specific days in verse 2:184 are meant for three days)

(Code 2) ... Hidden words for "Specific days"
2:184 Specific days (?); if one is ill or traveling, an equal number of other days may be substituted. Those who can fast, but with great difficulty, may substitute feeding one poor person for each day of breaking the fast. If one volunteers (more righteous works), it is better. But fasting is the best for you, if you only knew.
1436 52 ... gv for "three days (ثلاثة أيام)"
--> (1436+52) + (184) =  1672 = 88 x 19
Position 8 (Issues)
Level 3 (Include Missing Information)
(Indication: "Specific days" are meant for three days)

OR (Substitute the word "three" with number "3")
3 52 ... gv for "3 days (ثلاثة 3 أيام )"
--> 352 (184) = 18536 x 19
Position 6 (Caution) ... Something is missing!
Level 5 (Detailing Information)

Caution! (Replace gv for "three days" with gv for "three days during the month")
1436 52 661 536 ... gv for "three days during the month" ثلاثة أيام خلال الشهر (Note: Number "3" is reversed back to gv for number "three")
--> (1436+52+661+536) + (184) = 2869 = 151 x 19
Position 1 (Scenario Described)
Level 3 (Include Missing Information)

Ends
Thank you.

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Bro ThelosttruthsofIslam,

Thanks for your response
I do not know arabic and that's why I ask this question to you
AND from your writing I conclude that the words "ayyamam madooda" are not limited to a maximum 10 days but will go beyond it as well as for 30 days (the whole month of Ramadan)

It helps me a lot.
Thanks again,
Salam.

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Bro ThelosttruthsofIslam,

Would you help me for a second
About the words "أَيّامًا مَعدودٰتٍ" mention in verse 2:184
Some say: The word "madooda" is used in Arabic to typically denote a number from 3-10 and no more
In your opinion, is it correct or not?
If that is the case, Ramadan fasting only for 3-10 days and not a whole month!

*Just for my record
Thank you.

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How does staying hungry and thirsty makes you and I pious and God fearing? If that was the case, then all the homeless people would be the most pious and God fearing ones among us, wouldn’t they?

Bro ThelosttruthsofIslam,

I think fasting during Ramadan has a lot of wisdom.
Experiencing the real hunger and thirst are needed to nourish our soul
At least for the one who really appreciates his fasting.

Why?
Hunger and thirst are two kinds of torture received by God enemies in the hereafter
In fact these tortures only a tip of the iceberg compared to various other tortures in real hellfire

Just do this
During the peak of hunger and thirst (during fasting) just imagine that we are in the hellfire
Receive a lot of painful retribution for our sins
These tortures are indefinite and will not end forever
Are we willing to accept it?

For me the real experiencing of hunger and thirst are a great wisdom from God
AND I personally had experienced the extreme thirst during my fast and
This experience is still sculpted in my heart

I also put my finger into the flame of fire just to experience the real torture of the hellfire
Now I surrender to GOD
God's vengeance is unbearable
And I know experiencing is different from imaginary
The experience will stick in the heart forever.

Just my take.
Thank you.

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https://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_7067.htm

peace – jealous, envious, covetous, desirous etc., are all human traits e.g. 2:109, 113:5



see 7th line from bottom
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/7/vers/180?handschrift=13

7:180 ولله and to god الاسما the names of الحسنى the finest (best) فادعوه so invoke ye him بها in/by them وذروا and leave (forsake) ye of الذىن the ones ىلحدون who distorting فى in اسمىه names his سىجزون they will be compensated ما what كانوا be they of ىعملون working


Thank Bro Noon for your input especially this verse:
7:180 To God belongs the most beautiful names; call upon Him therewith, and disregard those who distort His names. They will be requited for their sins.

I hope I didn't distort His name of Al-Mutakabbir.
Maybe different in understanding the real meaning of the word.
My Reply #11, Reply #16 and Reply #24 are referred

But with this name (Al-Mutakabbir) a lot of things has changed in my daily life
When I know He is "Arrogant" and only accept the best from His servants
I'm now very careful in submitting to God
Salat (audience with God) for instance, I do it at a very beginning of the time, properly dress and well behaved
Observe in politeness and submissiveness(خَاشِعِينَ).

Also with this attribute (arrogance/zero tolerate with shirk)
I'm now very careful with my ego
He definitely will abandon me if I take my own desire (the hidden god) above Him
AND I will be in great trouble here and in the hereafter!

All this time I was bewildered by this verse:
2:186 When My servants ask you about Me, I am always near. I answer their prayers when they pray to Me. The people shall respond to Me and believe in Me, in order to be guided.
Why has my doa vanish into the thin air!
At least now I realise that the attribute of Al-Mutakabbir may be the barrier between God and me.
AND something should be done about it!

Always remember No shirk because "arrogant" is one of His asmaul-husna.
Any shirk in any form is unacceptable to God.

That's all folks
Just my take
Don't be mad on me!
Sorry for any inconvenience
AND so long.

May GOD forgive me if I'm mistaken!
2:286 God never burdens a soul beyond its means: to its credit is what it earns, and against it is what it commits. "Our Lord, do not condemn us if we forget or make mistakes...

Thank you.

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Peace shukri.

Lije their counterpart the Muslims, those before them have many false interpretations.

GOD simply cannot take  on any negative/bad attributes.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

For you it was a false interpretation.
It's okay Sir, thank you.

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Peace shukri.
Then you have to pursue your line of thoughts and see where it gets you?

Next you will come across "GOD is the best of the MAKIREEN" and you need to reflect on all the good and bad things that come from good and evil and weigh up the GOD attributes regarding the evil thinking side!
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Thanks for your comment.
Do you have any ideas on my Reply #26!
Salam.

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My dear friends,
In the Old Testament I found a God's attribute called "Jealous"

[Exodus 34:14] For you must not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

Since the translation of God's attributes in the Quran seems very "tailor-made" (at least for me)
I'm not sure whether this attribute (jealousy) is also mentioned in the Quran.
 
My question for the arabic experts here, may I know:
Is there any God's attribute in the quran literally means this kind of attribute (a jealous god)?
OR Is there any Quran verses confirming this attribute!

Note: I'm in the process of learning God's attributes based on true reality not based on translator's assumptions. With this study I hope I will understand the true nature of God. Forgive me my Lord if I'm mistaken and please give me Your guidance and mercy!

Glory be to God.

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My New Stand:
At the beginning of the discussion I feel very unsure about God's attribute of Al-Mutakabbir (المُتَكَبِّرُ)

Quote (Reply #11)
"Just imagine a very good person (good behavior, do a lot of charity, etc) will be ended in hellfire if he is an idolater (shirk to Allah a.k.a take other god besides GOD). There is no mercy at all and there is no forgiveness from God. Why? Honestly I do not know the answer, but some people say it is related to the God attribute of Al-Mutakabbir. God is very proud of Himself and will not compromise if His servants take other idolaters beside Him. That's the only way to describe the 'shirk' is a gross sin and unforgivable. But anyway that's only their opinion, maybe wrong maybe right!"

But with the latest findings of these two verses:
21:22 Why, were there gods in earth and heaven other than God, they would surely go to ruin; so glory be to God, the Lord of the Throne, above that they describe! (Arberry)
17:42 Say, "If there were any other gods beside Him, as they claim, they would have tried to overthrow the Possessor of the throne." (RK)

AND this coding (on Reply #18)
"59:23 He is the One God; there is no other god besides Him. The King, the Most Sacred, the Peace, the Most Faithful, the Supreme, the Almighty, the Most Powerful, the Most Dignified (المُتَكَبِّرُ). God be glorified; far above having partners (the first word of المُتَكَبِّرُ mentions in the Quran)
21:22 Why, were there gods in earth and heaven other than God, they would surely go to ruin; so glory be to God, the Lord of the Throne, above that they describe! (Arberry)
--> (22) (23) = 117 x 19 ... Verses without chapters
Position 7: Disbelievers ... refers to people mentions in verse 21:21
Level 3: Include Missing Information
(Indication: Verse 21:22 is interrelated to attribute المُتَكَبِّرُ)"

Now I am quite sure that the attribute "Arrogance" is one of the "God's asmaul-husna" (as the manifestation of His dignity and the Oneness) and the Quran translation by Prof. Dr. H. Mahmud Yunus (Indonesian) is very correct.

Note:The attribute of Al-Mutakabbir (المُتَكَبِّرُ) is only for God alone and Not for others. Human/jinn or other God's creations are strictly forbidden.

Thank you.
So long!

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Yes it would be wrong because "arrogant" is a human and jinn character trait,
a flaw, a lie.  While Allah has no such flaws.

Remember Iblis was arrogant and was dismissed by Allah.  But if Allah says
he is supreme it is a fact, not false or arrogance.

https://aboutislam.net/reading-islam/understanding-islam/god-is-al-mutakabbir-does-it-mean-he-is-arrogant/

                                                                                     :peace:

Thanks bro hawk99 for your comment and the link.
 :peace:  and  :handshake:

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