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Joe, I apologize if I offended you but that wasn't my intention. I am here to learn and so far what I am learning is that almost everyone here has different beliefs. As far as I can understand, you are saying that you are just a Muslim, not Sunni or Shi'a. If you aren't saying that, then I don't think I would like to know because that would mean you have your own beliefs and religion.

Elena, I am confused because I am getting different answers from different people, so for now, I am going to consider mquran as a representative for the beliefs of this site. I won't waste my time getting into Rashad Khalifa's religion because that's a belief that they are strongly committed to. Free-mind people are similar to me, and accepting, therefore a debate for my knowledge can be held.

I always questioned the Hadeeth's authenticity but I don't think anyone has the authority to say if it's false or not. I just pick and choose between the ones that I like. What I want to make clear is the fact that I follow some Hadeeth, not because I think I will get blessings for it. I do it because I feel like it's a better way to live life. Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W)'s character, as stated in the Hadith was great, if you think it was fictious or not.

I believe there are three types of Hadeeth.

1) True Historical Events (wars etc.)

2) The Hadith that can be recognized with the Qur'an.

3) Very Old Hadith, non-historic and ones that cannot be recognized with the Qur'an.

I choose to believe in the first two, However, ALL Hadith aren't false or true. Therefore, we can assume that #2 might be truthful, but might have no concern in our lives, just a historical significance behind the specific Qur'anic Ayat. I follow #1 just to live my life in a better way and just for extra knowledge.

mquran, I agree with you 100%. That's what I meant to say, that the things that will save us from hell are basic, not the widespread knowledge of the history. I agree with you, follow the true Islam, be nice to everyone, not only to Muslims. I am sure you and me are following the True Islam, because we are doing the basic things that will save us from the Hell-Fire, Inshallah!

It's not the way you pray or the way you shake hands, its those basic things that we need, but we usually forget because we worry too much about the minor stuff that is usually preached to us. Sunni/Shi'a sects are not found in the Caribbean Islands. The muslims there are just simply muslim. Once I came to a conclusion that they must be Sunni since they don't do Matam. Now when I think about it, it makes me sad that Islam has sects and when you find out if your friend is a muslim, it's not enough. You usually find out if he's Sunni or Shi'a. You are right, we are far away from humanity, Islam is being turned into a political religion with many different sects following human beings instead of the Holy Qur'an.

However, the problem with this site is the fact that everyone here has different beliefs.

Andy, the Hadith you have stated are sayings or historical events which I don't believe in. I agree that the Hadith aren't what Islam was all about, I never had a Hadith book until a couple of years ago. Islam has been made very complicated for whatever reason, but it doesn't concern me. I won't go into too much details about the Hadith etc. because they don't matter or affect my life after death. From what I have read, I follow pnly some Hadith of our Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W). What I mean by follow is that I try to adapt certain habits of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W)stated in the Hadith. For example, eating manners, hygeine stuff, etc. I agree that the Hadith can be changed but the Qur'an cannot.

mquran, Thanks A Lot!!! for all of your help. You were the only person that actually made sense to me. The first reason is basically the fact that you didn't disrespect the Hadith or try to take apart the Hadith books but instead you told me your part without disrespecting anyone or any book. That for one, was the right way, which is the proper, decent, Islamic way. That's how the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) and his companions used to spread Islam, instead of finding mistakes in the Bible, they read out the verses from the Qur'an. As far as I can understand, your approach is that you are not completely denying the Prophet's Hadith.

95% of the muslims (Sunni and Shi'a) believe in the Hadith. Maybe other sects do as well.

I can't agree with anyone of you by denying all the Hadith, because that's my belief and what I think is right as well. I explained to everyone what my idea of the Hadith really is. Picking one or two unlogical Hadith doesn't mean all of them can't be followed BUT, the ones that contradict with the Qur'an shouldn't, ofcourse.

Like I said before, I have come to a conclusion for what my belief should really be, but I will state in a proper and easy format.

1. "La Illaha Il Allah Muhammad Ur Rasool Allah". - I am pretty sure you all are familiar with that.

2. Follow the Qur'an!!!

3. Allah comes first! and then I choose to put Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) as my peaceful and great role model in life.

My Beliefs about the Hadith:

1. The Hadith are there to guide you, they don't concern your life after death or your blessings but if you choose to adapt the ones where you are helping out the community and your land. Also the one where you do stuff for the humanity(not only muslims, ALL HUMANS). For my life to be a discipline and healthy one, I think it's good for me to follow the ones that concern the good and logical hobbies of the Prophet (S.A.W). I choose to live my life under his shadow, you know.

2. Prophets were great, God-Chosen, Heavenly people. They were all equal, like I stated in a post before. We have no right to judge who is better than who. I have no accounts of the lives of any other prophets except Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W). That's why I choose to live the life like he did. I mean you can't say that his great habits  shouldn't be followed because they aren't mentioned in the Qur'an.

3. We all follow habits of some people, like our parents, grandparents, everyone has someone that influences them. I choose to follow the life of a Prophet, like he is my role model, but that doesn't mean I will marry 11 times. I just pick and choose the ones that are suitable for this era and my life. You never know I might get a Nobel Peace Prize if I work for my community or even on a wider scale. Being truthful to everyone, being nice and not hurting anyone emotionally or physically. You can't say that's a bad trait to adapt. I am not only influenced by the Prophet but his Companions/Caliphs as well.

4. Just like you can't say the ENTIRE Bible isn't the word of God, you can't say that ALL the Hadith are useless. But then again I don't follow the life of Prophet Jesus (Issa), but that's my choice, not that I am sinful because of it, its just because I choose to.

Sorry, but some of the posts I have read seem to me like you guys have something against the Hadith or the Prophet. I don't understand why there's a problem in choosing even one hadith for your life, not to gain blessings though, just for yourself. Some of you sound as if you are in the opposition of the Hadith, just because you don't believe they are authentic, doesn't mean you can't accept a couple. Fictious or Not, we ALL must agree that Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W)'s character and life was a very great one. If it's okay for us to follow Gandhi's peaceful way, then why say no to the Prophet, who had been through way worse?

I don't follow his life exactly and every step of the way, just some stuff that I choose and find good for myself. I mean come on, we all wash ourselves when we pee, lol. And our hands, specially before eating because you know, it would be gross, otherwise.

If we all are free-thinkers, we should just use the Hadith as a book of wise sayings, obviously not as a secondary source to the religion. I understood your religion long ago because that's my religion too, I am a Muslim. I am aslo a positive person, I try to find the good in everything and that's why I choose the Hadith. I even find good in a "gangsta rapper" Tupac, even though most might say he was a thug and gangster, but that's his negative half. All I can do is curse it and gain nothing, but lose energy and time as well. It's better to look at everything in a positive way, causes less stress, hate and opposition towards others.

Therefore I agree with mostly all of your beliefs because that's what Islam is. You guys don't believe that all the Hadith are true, but not ALL are false either. I only have one objection and that's the fact that you believe that the last two ayat of Surah Al-Taubah are not supposed to be there (some say yes, some say no on this site) so I am referring to those who don't. The Qur'an itself states that it shouldn't be changed or can be changed until Allah wants

Otherwise everything is okay, we are all on the same page, what I have mentioned was the exact way I used to live my life before, and after studying the Hadith books. I don't believe any Scholar or Mufti until they have proven to me that their fatwa can be recognized with the Qur'an, and yes I learned that from a Hadith.

Please post your reply, and thanks for all of your help, it was a great experience learning here. The best thing I learned was that, I should finish the Qur'an first and try to memorize it so I won't need a Scholar's help to solve my problems. So I would know on the top of my head. What destroys the muslim faith is the fact that some people decide to follow whatever they are told blindly, which shouldn't be done. Even if it's true or not.

I am a follower more than a leader, and I like to absorb positive things from everyone, that's how I started adapting habits of our Prophet. Once again, Thanks, I have learned a lot here. My dad once said that you should finish reading and studying The Holy Qur'an before you move on to the Bible. He said that to me when I started reading/studying the Bible. When I started the Holy Qur'an it seemed to be as if it was a correction being made to the Bible, it started off in a similar way, it was as if the Qur'an was completing the entire religion, truly the words of Allah...Subhanallah!

This site has literally slapped me back on track, my blindness couldn't see the light that was being shown to me by the users constantly saying "Al-Qur'an". No matter how much you have read the Qur'an, you should keep on studying for more knowledge. However, the hadith and history is secondary.

Please post your opinions and replies!

Jazakallah!

Salam

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Thanx A lot for your civilized replies, instead of condemning me, you are trying to help me, and I appreciate it. You guys are right that little knowledge can be dangerous, but I am mostly interested in the Fundamentals of your religion.

I am aware of all the hadith's narrations that are done by people like Abu Haraira, who travelled over most of Arabia, and the accounts are from the people that knew Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) and witnessed it with their own eyes.

I agree that the Sunni/Shi'a religion's main conflict is because of the Caliphs, which has nothing to do with the religion. *Islam was complete during Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) time, he was the last prophet*. The Caliphs were the administration and the Sahaba.

I understand that religion is just a belief. And all of the people that are here are just the people who always asked "why?" and sometimes just answered to ourselves, don't ask too many questions about your religion. But we all wanted to know, Why should we choose Islam?

Maybe because we were different than the average muslim, we did so. Therefore, I decided that there's a chance for me to choose this Qur'an Alone approach!

BUT... it worries me to find out that they have removed two of the Ayat from the Qur'an, which cannot be done since *Islam was complete during Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) time, he was the last prophet*. To tamper with the Holy Qur'an basically means you are claiming to be a prophet.

There are three types of Hadith mentioned in Sahih Al-Bukhari and another book. I classify them as instructions, sayings, and historical events.

Now the Few Confusions that I am left with because of the replies are:

1. Andy, I want to clear up a couple of things. As far as I know, "Qur'an Alone" doesn't accept and believe in the Hadith or the Sunnah. What does that mean? your action to remove the two ayat, in your version of the Holy Book, should not even take place since you don't believe in the Hadith. That point is clear, 100%, no argument there. You can tell me other factors, like Mr. Rashad Khalifa or whoever chose to do it because of code-19. Like you guys said, and according to my understanding, he isn't a prophet so he can't change the Holy Qur'an. Therefore, that point still needs to be clear. Hadith two: I still believe that according to Islamic Law, the punishment for adultry is to be stoned to death.

My questions to you are 1)who is the authority of your Islamic Law? 2)does everyone interpret it their own way or 3)actually follow from Imams? 4) or do you pick and choose between the Imam's teachings? 5) or you don't worry too much about certain things and leave some laws alone because you are unsure?

Andy, Sorry man, but you have failed to prove to me why I should use Qur'an Alone as my choice. HOWEVER, the other two hadith that you have posted have proved another point, meaning that ALL Hadith should not be followed. Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) used to do Tawaaf around the Kaaba in slippers sometimes because the Kaafirs would throw sharp objects on the floor. If you follow that now, it's won't make any sense.

Well all that leads to a conclusion that I have always wanted, but now I will be happy in choosing it. But I will state that after clearing up some other stuff.

Confusion 2: Wakas, In the points 1,2 & 3, we are on the same page. However in point 3, you are correct, mostly all of the muslims have rejected MANY hadith, and not only Rashad Khalifa chose Qur'an Alone.

Sorry but the link you sent me wasn't something I would have any interest in. Daniel Brown is a great Islamic scholar and teacher, which is great, but the problem is that he isn't muslim. If he studied so much about Islam and he hasn't chosen that as his religion, there, a problem arises. So I would like to stick to the Hadith and the Qur'an instead of adding books written by a Christian, Islamic Scholar to the discussion.

4) You are right but at http://www.19.org has competitions for Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W)'s cartoons, astagfirullah. I cannot look at it as anything but disrespect. But www.19.org doesn't concern you, since you don't believe in code-19, but since you are speaking on the behalf of others...Therefore, I come to this belief,  "Contradiction is not found in Islam".

You are contradicting the beliefs of your fellow progressive muslims, and like what I said for Andy, the contradiction is taking place in your basic beliefs, like the stuff I said about Mr. Rashad Khalifa and false prophethood claims.The stuff that the Hadith states, which contradicts with the Holy Qur'an; I don't accept the Hadith or believe them in that case. You helped me to reach to the same conclusion Andy did. Thanks A LOT!

5) This is where we are not on the same page, I didn't say majority is correct etc. I meant to say that you are making your own religion complicated by adding the code-19 to it, and the people will have to witness it by themselves instead of believing you. But that doesn't concern you, therefore you are not a "Qur'an Alone" muslim, you are just a plain and simple muslim, like you are supposed to be, that has chosen to study from a different translation. Your beliefs are similar to mine, however your beliefs are not similar to the Qur'an Alone foundation or your fellow progressive muslims, and you are speaking on their behalf, meaning that you are creating your own religion in some way.

3. Mquran, your post was also a great help, thanks a lot. I quote what you have written: " After all, leaving a socio-historical grouping like the muslims can be momentous. But leaving them, I have rejoined humanity AND ..." After the "AND" there is a problem.

And M-mehdi, thanks for the support, you are absolutely correct and I choose to do that.

MY CONCLUSION: Qur'an Alone is the truth, but "Qur'an Alone" as a religion isn't. You all seem to be like me, disagreeing with the Sunni and Shi'a beliefs of having sects in Islam, you wanted to leave, just like me, but instead you have ended up in a wrong place. Removing the Ayat and all is a problem itself. Leaving a Sect, you have joined another sect for no reason at all. Contradicting your beliefs, and that doesn't take place in Islam. If you want to leave the groups, don't join another, be an independent muslim. If you are independent, and you choose to have a Prophet as your leader, why let others decide for you, once again, you haven't gained anything, but actually lost your old sect and now you have lost your belief. There are Hadith that are categorized as the ones that can be recognized with the Holy Qur'an. The other two types are the ones that are actual Historical Events and the other ones cannot be recognized with history or the Qur'an.

Therefore I choose to be a muslim that will read the Real Holy Qur'an and if I cannot understand something, I will read an authentic Tafseer, even though the Tafseer are just the historical significance of the Ayat, it would be good for me to find out why, just for extra knowledge, even though there is no need.

Two Main Fundamentals you all need to have is to be polite and harmless to others by any means AND to pray 5 times a day. If those fundamentals are present, there won't be a problem on Qayamah. The sunnah that I will follow will be for my own good, not for the blessings. There are two ways of doing things, a proper way and an improper way. Some hadith just tell us the proper way, it's up to the person to decide which one is good for you, therefore you cannot cancel out all the hadith because you cannot accept a couple. It's just for you to decide which one you will choose in your lifestyle which one you won't, but the same cannot be done for the Qur'an.

Thanks for everything my brothers. I will stick to the original Muslim beliefs and I will consider the Caliph just as the historical administrators and sahaba of Islam. Nothing more, nothing less! They just contributed towards the Muslims, not to the faith itself. The Hadith is our choice but the Qur'an isn't. Qur'an Alone can never be possible, that's why a Prophet was sent along with it, that's why you guys had a code-19 theory to go along with the reason for it to take place.   

Please post your replies and opinions!

Salaam


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In the Name of All?h, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

I am a Muslim by birth and by choice. I am not a person who follows a religion just because "someone" told them, for example close family and relatives like Parents, Grandparents. I am going to use my real name and be truthful to everyone because I am here to gain something, in a proper way. I have been a Sunni by birth. I studied the differences between the Sunni and Shi'a religion and what the other religions have to say about the differences. So far the only decision I have come up with is that I want to be "only" Muslim. That led me to this forum. I have many questions and concerns that I would like to clear up but the main one is about Mr. Rashad Khalifa claiming to be a prophet. I would like for the members to find time to prove to me that I should choose to be a "Submitter", or as be like you all, "a hadith-free muslim".

The Questions:

1. Why should I believe Mr. Rashad Khalifa claims of being a prophet?

My understanding: I will be straight up about this, I don't believe that claim. As a Sunni, we believe in false Prophets (Dajjals). Thinking inside the box, as a Sunni, I will have to put him under that category, if he is doing so using Islam as the religion.

2. According to Mr. Rashad Khalifa's code-19 theory, the following Ayats are not true

9:128 --- Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger (Muhammad SAW) from amongst yourselves (i.e.
whom you know well). It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty. He (Muhammad
SAW) is anxious over you (to be rightly guided, to repent to All?h, and beg Him to pardon and forgive
your sins, in order that you may enter Paradise and be saved from the punishment of the Hell-fire),
for the believers (he SAW is) full of pity, kind, and merciful.

9:129 --- But if they turn away, say (O Muhammad SAW): "All?h is sufficient for me. L? il?ha illa Huwa (none
has the right to be worshipped but He), in Him I put my trust and He is the Lord of the Mighty
Throne."

(con't) Question 2:  So according to you, the Qur'an has to work because of the mathematical sense and not the logical, everyday, common sense?

My Understanding: As far as I can understand, Allah is telling the people the mentioned things in order for the people to understand that the Prophet is nothing more than a Messenger and Allah is explaining his message. I am aware that progressive Muslims believe in the message  I am not a doctor or a PhD. I am surely not a mathematician. The Qur'an was written down as a guideline for people to use in their everyday life. Islam and the Qur'an didn't come with the number 19, but it came with/through a Prophet. Some Sunni people don't realize the limit of respect that should be given, but that doesn't mean that he shouldn't be respected at all.

3: From what I know, the message is more important to the free-thinkers rather than the messenger. True, I agree 100%, this theory will put me under the category of free-thinkers. If it's okay to follow the teachings and good-deeds of great and successful people (non-Prophets). We obviously do that because, if they were successful by adapting certain things that they did, we might be able to get success in life as well. Considering that, what's wrong with following our Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W)? Is it wrong to follow the Hadith (i.e. sayings of the Prophet S.A.W)? Is it wrong according to the progressive Islam?

My understanding: As a practicing Muslim-Sunni (Follower of the Sunnah), I understand that we do so because we Believe that Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) will go to heaven and he had a great healthy lifestyle. Since he was the last prophet and we have more information about his life than any other Prophet, and he also delivered the Qur'an, we believe that it would be good for ourselves to follow his everyday life. Don't get the idea that we believe he was the best prophet, etc. According to a Hadith, A Sahaba told Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) that he had argued with a Jew about Prophet Moses (Musa) being better than Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W). Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) said that don't do that because on the day of Judgement, everyone will faint, and as Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) will gain conciousness, Prophet Moses (Musa) will be sitting by Allah's throne, and Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) won't have the knowledge about who gained conciousness first.

Question 4: I was reading the Q & A in the website 19.org just now!!! (link: http://19.org/index.php?id=15,18,0,0,1,0) and I found out that Edip Yuksel left the organization,  (link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edip_Yuksel) but he is still a Qur'an Alone Muslim.

My question is Why disagree with the Hadith and not agree with Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W), disrespect him, disgrace him and follow other people (Mr. Rashad Khalifa) instead?

My understanding: Qur'an Alone muslims basic idea is not to believe Hadith and Follow Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) as a prophet. But then again you choose to have a self-proclaimed "educated" prophet (Mr. Rashad Khalifa) who has very few followers and the Book he has "altered" was really written by an Illiterate person who could never read and write all his life (Prophet Muhammad S.A.W) this miracle that could only be done by Allah. Reading the Q&A (link: http://19.org/index.php?id=15,18,0,0,1,0) just made me realize something. But I give the benefit of doubt because one muslim convert once said that he is so lucky he never met muslims before converting, otherwise he wouldn't have done so. But your basic beliefs are from a Prophet and Book that you are denying. I don't mean to be offensive but since I have placed my self in the category of free-thinkers, I can say this religion is not one of the choices that I would like to choose unless someone on this site proves to me otherwise. This is a new religion and the main founders should be nicer and more accepting, instead of disrespecting other religious beliefs. To tell everyone the truth, I haven't found any truth or any reason to believe this "Qur'an Alone" argument. According to a Hadith, before Qayamah (judgement day) everyone will have their own religous beliefs. Free thinkers contradict their own beliefs. If I keep on asking "why?" one day I will be questioning the law. Law is what you worry about more than questioning the religion itself, because that's in the near future, and the after-life doesn't matter anymore. Another Hadith states that before Qayamah, the Qur'an will be taken away from the Earth and people's hearts. Thanks for contributing to the two signs of the Judgement day. You have given muslims the right to freely change the religion and soon the law will be changed in your own minds because that's what your thinking allows you to do.

My First CONCLUSION: I am a free-thinker, but I don't take it to an excessive level. I realize that I don't choose what's best for me, Allah does. I allow the government to choose my rights and law, and I worry about the cops catching me for speeding, instead of opposing them, I accept my mistake and agree to pay (if needed). I don't take a copy of the constitutional rights and distribute it all over to get supporters and prove my point, which was never there. If I do so, I just changed it for my needs, so I can simply go and freely drive my car as fast as I want. But then after an accident, I will realize my mistake. Changing two Ayats and being an unbeliever of the Hadith is absolutely done for a pointless reason. Why can't I tell you why? because I can't judge someone's action, I am not God. Yes, I am a free-thinker but I know my limits, and "Qur'an Alone" is not the way for me.

Shi'a and Sunni religions make up for the 95% of the muslim population, and there numbers are growing world wide, Mash'allah.

My Final Question: WHY?

My Understanding: Ethics, Respect and the real Qur'an and Prophets are still present as a part of the basic foundation of the religion. There are no contradictions in the religion itself. One thing that needs to be clear about this is the fact that I am talking about the scripture and the real religion instead of the actions and behaviour of the followers. The conflict remains on the Khalifahs and some other minor subjects, that I will study and try to come up with a conclusion.

However MY FINAL CONCLUSION for this religion: There is probably a 0.5% chance for me to accept this religion, now. I am a Free-thinking, Sunni(follower of the sunnah) and a Shi'a (follower) Muslim. I have taken out some teachings followed by the sub-religions because they do not follow the Qur'an. As Far as Qur'an Alone is concerned, I am Sorry, but I cannot agree with the teachings given by Mr. Rashad Kalifah. He realized himself that he will need people to promote his new "product" so he became a self-proclaimed prophet. Contradiction is not found in Islam, this is not Islam. You cannot buy a product that you have no knowledge of, without it's instructions, so he became a prophet. He is right, I agree, therefore "Qur'an Alone" is a flop and not Islam because Qur'an Alone, isn't even Qur'an "Alone", it's coming with other false-prophets and mathematical teachings. This religion falls under the Wahabi and Free-Thinkers category, the people who don't believe in God at all.

Choose to be complete non-muslim free-thinkers for your beliefs to make sense

As an average free-thinking, muslim,  I have crossed "Qur'an Alone" out as a choice for my religion, only in a couple of hours. It was great, and a nice experience, I learned a couple of good things that I would like to share as I depart from this site. I will be visiting frequently for the replies.

1. While being greatly successful and educated, one should not think of him/herself as a superior person, compared to others because one day that person might choose to be better than Prophets, Holy Books, and a really excessive limit would be being beter than God.

2. After learning about your religion, my appreciation about Prophet Muhammed (S.A.W) has been greatly increased. His Hadith have helped me to be a great person, with a nice, humble personality, with little or no negative thoughts or emotion.

3. As a free-thinker, you have a right to say whatever you want, whenever you want. You can absolutely trash the other person and his/her religion without a problem. There is no respect what-so-ever. It's mostly complaining, pointing fingers, disgracing, disrespecting others and being a complete ego-maniac. I have had friends from other non-accepted, so-called muslim religions. They backbite, and think of themselves as better people, and think it's okay. They have a bad thing to say about everyone except those who they are close with. If things don't go their way, they choose to trash the other person and their religion, but when it comes to their own religion or themselves (mostly retaliation against them), they are sensitive and they cannot handle it. They think and act like they are better than someone, and try to prove it. They are supposed to be innocent and the complaining victims after all of their behaviour. I am being Stereotypical? you really think so, try it. I can assure you that your free-thinker approach that I am using (stating an opinion and my understanding), will simply get replies of pure garbage instead of the educated and logical approach that this religion has advertised.

Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) said that the words he preaches aren't his own words, but are actually words sent to him by Allah.

The angels were delivering messages from Allah to the Messenger. The Hadith and Sunnah weren't pointless, Allah Knows Best!

If you really love your approach, just choose to be complete non-muslim free-thinkers for your beliefs to make sense!

Salaam!

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General Issues / Questions / Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
« on: August 09, 2006, 02:18:14 AM »
In the Name of All?h, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

I am a Muslim by birth and by choice. I am not a person who follows a religion just because "someone" told them, for example close family and relatives like Parents, Grandparents. I am going to use my real name and be truthful to everyone because I am here to gain something, in a proper way. I have been a Sunni by birth. I studied the differences between the Sunni and Shi'a religion and what the other religions have to say about the differences. So far the only decision I have come up with is that I want to be "only" Muslim. That led me to this forum. The first thing I saw was this topic and the posts of Mr. Danish. I have many questions and concerns that I would like to clear up but the main one is about Mr. Rashad Khalifa claiming to be a prophet. I will post a topic and I would like for the members to find time to prove to me that I should choose to be a "Submitter", or as be like you all, "a hadith-free muslim".

As far as Danish goes, here are the translations from the Holy Qur'an of the mentioned Ayat. It will be easier for you to understand in English. Your concern seems to be the concept instead of the Arabic Language. As far as I know, Rashad Khalifa translated the world Islam and Muslim into English words, therefore I will get the English translation for the requested Ayats/Sentences. My Belief is that Muslims don't need a scholar to read the Qur'an, but then again Prophets were sent, and who is better than Prophets/God-chosen people to Interpret the meaning of the Qur'anic Ayats that we are having problems to interpret, and understand. In present times, it can be scholars, but only the Ayats that are NOT easy to understand. They can guide you by giving you proof from the Hadith or maybe the Qur'an itself. The translation for the following Ayats should be easy for any "person" with an average IQ to understand.

2:50 --- And (remember) when We separated the sea for you and saved you and drowned Fir'aun's
(Pharaoh) people while you were looking (at them, when the sea-water covered them).

28:40 --- So We seized him and his hosts, and We threw them all into the sea (and drowned them). So behold
(O Muhammad SAW) what was the end of the Z?lim?n [wrong-doers, polytheists and those who
disbelieved in the Oneness of their Lord (All?h), or rejected the advice of His Messenger M?sa
(Moses) >>].

17:103 --- So he resolved to turn them out of the land (of Egypt). But We drowned him and all who were with
him.

10:92 --- So this day We shall deliver your (dead) body (out from the sea) that you may be a sign to those
who come after you! And verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Ay?t (proofs, evidences,
verses, lessons, signs , revelations, etc.).

According to the Qur'an, it's not good to use the Qur'anic Ayats to prove your own point. Therefore I will not try to prove a point, but instead, I will post them to you. Like back in the days of our Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) and the Sahaba. On many occasions they read out a passage from the Qur'an and let the listener believe and understand for themselves, that's how people converted/ submitted to this beautiful religion, Islam. For those who question that, must know that there are people who are blind, dumb and deaf; not literally though. For these people, trying once or twice is enough. You cannot interpret and show them what you see, because a blind person can only hear about the truth, he or she may not be able to see it.

Salaam / Peace

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