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Dear JM,

I find the explanations in the article somewhat farfetched.

If the same exercises are applied to the rest of the qur?an or any other text, any tales may be created. I can not find any base for the claims put forward here.
I do not know the person who has authored it, but unless there is further evidence for the allegations, I believe it to be quite useless.

The comments from ?arnoldyasin? may explain a bit.



Economics Forum / Re: Interest, Inflation, Money Supply?
« on: May 16, 2006, 10:52:15 PM »

If money is used, either as investment or other types of loans etc., it is tied to interest. Let?s say we borrow $100 at 5% interest per year from a bank. When the loan is to be returned to the bank after one year, we have to return $105.
I.e. we have to find additional $5 from somewhere.
Unlike potatoes, money can not be made to multiply; we have to ?put them together? every step of the way. So, in order to find an additional $5, these five dollars have to exist, or be fabricated by ourselves if they don?t exist.

The more money we are utilizing, the more extra money is needed in order to cover the interest, i.e. the more money there is in circulation the more money is needed to be made available.

Inflation is mainly driven by the amount of money that governments make available.
When more money is put into circulation, consumers bid up prices of goods and services. This price increase causes loss of purchasing power, and thus inflation.
Therefore inflation is closely tied to interest and so are stocks and bonds, as they again are tied to inflation.
This is an evil circle because the higher the inflation, the more money is needed, and the more money there is in circulation, the higher the inflation.

Some types of money are agreed upon, by many separate countries, as a kind of standard currencies, like the USD, Euro etc.
These currencies are used as measures for other currencies, and even though, for instance the USD has been produced in an ever increasing flood, its value is kept up, to a certain extent, as much of the USD is not circulated within the country itself. If countries around the world cease to regard USD as a central currency and decide to rid themselves of it, the US economy will experience a major inflation, as the total number of USD in circulation in the world is extremely much higher than the real values in the country, backing the USD.

Differences in the value that various types of goods has for us, will fluctuate, depending on offer and demand, however it will not influence the inflation rate in the same way as money does, as goods and services are real values in their own right. They are ?end?-products, whereas money are only means to make trade easier for us, and without own value, unless we make money out of something that has value in itself.

Large economies built on our present, imaginary, monetary system, are terrified of a situation where ?real? money takes over, as there will be less need for ?paper money?, therefore the monetary authorities around the world can no longer keep producing money at will. But as long as our economic system can keep on implementing interest on money they are relatively safe, as interest requires more money to be made, and if the money are real values, gold or whatever, the money can not just be fabricated out of ?nothing?, Thereby making ?real? money virtually impossible to implement on a larger scale.
Interest is really the key to the vast success of the few controlling the economies, and it will not be given up lightly.
I believe that interest mentioned in the qur?an, is the imaginary value that results in the necessity to fabricate more money which decreases the buying power of the money in circulation. I.e. all interest on money is bad and should be avoided. Instead of adding value to a community, interest consumes values.


Ali Omar

General Issues / Questions / Re: Scientific article on Pork
« on: May 14, 2006, 02:53:59 AM »
Dear sugar,

Well, I am probably amongst the ?elders? on this site, and has left my normal working life behind.

Research is most of the time tedious, ?boring?, work. What I have been involved in is mainly connected to magnetism, electricity and optics in general. It is actually a fairly wide range of fields. But the more interesting part is actually engineering.

Mind you, my work was not revolutionary in any way, quite ordinary actually, but some of it contributed to new and, I like to think, better solutions.
However, I would rather not go into details on an open forum, as non-disclosure agreements are relatively stringent, and I believe it would not be of much general interest anyway.


Ali Omar

Dear arnoldyasin,

Thank you for info.
I will first find the book you mentioned by McTaggert. It is correct that some scientific works are not readily available to the public, for many reasons. And there is also a certain amount of secrecy within the various fields of science.
I may take you up on your offer later on, thank you again.


Ali Omar

Dear arnoldyasin,

Working with science you know that theories are used to explain facts, unlike the common notion that theories are the same as guesswork.
However, when facts are not conclusive we sometimes tend to explain inconclusive facts with theories as well, and then we are guessing, i.e. we may end up with two contradicting theories, each of which are equally plausible.

Yes, I do have some experience, mainly within applied physical science, although I am now retired. I.e. I have been working with ?dead? matters unlike your good self.

As mentioned, I must find time and energy to look into some of the things I am less familiar with, within this field, as I find it interesting.
I will definitely try to get my hands on the book you mentioned by Lynn McTaggert. I am not familiar with the name but hope to acquire some new insight into the questions at hand.


Ali Omar

Dear arnoldyasin,

Your article is interesting and summarizes some of the research done by scientists looking into the area of ?paranormal? activities.

Already many years back, neurologists have concluded that there must be ?something? outside of our bodies affecting our actions/reactions, as nothing within ourselves could explain some of our emotions.
However, these fields of science are the areas where facts are explained by theories bordering on pure guesswork. Many scientists still find much of the experiments and the theories explaining facts from these experiments as amusing, but not scientific.

As most of us, adhering to islam, are struggling with questions not having ready answers through traditional science, theories as you mentioned could put some of our questions at rest, or at least, give plausible explanations.

I also believe that everything in the universe is interconnected; nothing exists on a totally separate island and that there is no such thing as ?nothing?.
I must admit that I am not too familiar with this field, but have formed some opinions based on what has been found.

Our brains do seem to have memory-areas, but there also seem to be memory-areas in other parts of our bodies, besides our brains.
I also believe that our brains are connected with something many call the Quantum Field, but that it does not upload and download information only during our sleep. I find it more probable that most of the information is constantly copied between the ?media?. But, of course, this is more a guess than a theory.

I must find time and energy to look into these questions again. Anyway thank you for interesting info.


Ali Omar


The question of ?salat? is an important one as it is a central part in islam.

From what I can see so far, the various findings have narrowed the explanation of this down to something that has to do with ?learning?, ?connection?, ?concentration? and ?commitment?.

Could we understand it as something like ?concentrate (commit) and open your mind to learn/understand islam (or the system of God)??


Ali Omar

General Issues / Questions / Re: Scientific article on Pork
« on: May 11, 2006, 08:05:44 PM »

I know that sometimes I come through as arrogant. When I come across a totally baseless conclusion, claiming to be the result of scientific research, I sometimes do not treat it lightly. The Internet is swarming with these kinds of reports. It seems especially to be the case within religious matters, or other areas of mysticism. :confused:
Maybe, as I have ?lived a while? and been involved in a few research projects, I get somewhat upset when I see such totally baseless conclusions as in this case. They just have not done even their most basic homework, and still try to pass it off as serious research.
I will try to control myself, but I can not guarantee it. ;D

Just for the record, I do not defend pork, or any other kind of meat, in any way, but I do defend seriousness.

I know that many educational institutions are not preparing their students adequately for real life, but most have some kind of projects helping you to gain experience in planning, research and presentation of results based on evidence, or solutions, you seem to have found during the project studies.
If you have not had that kind of experience during your school studies, you may meet situations in real life that requires you to make decisions based on your own findings, and make the mistakes in real life instead of under a monitored environment such as an educational institution.

The report presented here is a typical example of mistakes made due to lack of proper training.


Ali Omar

General Issues / Questions / Re: Scientific article on Pork
« on: May 11, 2006, 02:35:38 AM »
Dear tanveermd,

Thank you for an enlightening link into the mysteries of pork and alcohol.
The findings are revolutionary! :bravo:

Cease the pork consumption and Alcoholics, Liver Cirrhosis, Liver Cancer and Multiple Sclerosis disappear!

Wow! :yay:

Let’s look at the table comparing pork consumption with number of alcoholics.

From Saskatchewan right down to Newfoundland the trend seems to be opposite of the main conclusion, it seems that the more pork you eat the lower the number of alcoholics.
In Newfoundland the pork consumption is abt. the double as compared to Nova Scotia but the number of alcoholics is almost the same.

The report concludes that there is a clear correlation between the alcohol and pork consumption. :rotfl:

Liver Cirrhosis:

Alcohol consumption shows relatively small variations.

Nova Scotia has slightly lower alcohol consumption than Prince Edward Island and substantially lower pork consumption but has almost double the cases of Liver Cirrhosis.
If we compare Saskatchewan and New Brunswick with Prince Edward Island the cases of Cirrhosis are more than double whereas alcohol and pork consumption is much lower.

The report concludes that there is a clear correlation between Cirrhosis and pork consumption. :rotfl:

Liver cancer:

Hungary and Switzerland have practically the same pork consumption and close to the same alcohol and wine consumption, still Hungary has substantially higher mortality rate due to liver cancer.

Canada and Finland have almost similar consumption of alcohol, wine and pork, but Finland has more than double the number of mortalities due to liver cancer.

Sweden has almost three times higher pork consumption than New Zealand, a little bit higher wine consumption but a bit lower alcohol consumption, however, mortality rate due to liver cancer is exactly the same.

The report concludes that “both alcohol and pork are associated with the risk of developing hepatocellular carcinoma”. :rotfl:

Since “both alcohol and pork are associated…” let us then look at the correlation between pork consumption and liver cancer, and alcohol consumption and liver cancer separately:

US and Canada has a little bit higher pork consumption than Yugoslavia, but Yugoslavia has five times higher mortality rate due to liver cancer than US and Canada.
Czechoslovakia and France have only a little bit higher pork consumption than US and Canada, but almost five times higher mortality rate due to liver cancer.

Germany has the absolute highest pork consumption but has a lover mortality rate, due to liver cancer, than 7 of the 18 countries included in the survey.

Let us look at alcohol and liver cancer:

Only Norway and UK has slightly lower alcohol consumption than Poland but still Poland has three times higher mortality rate due to liver cancer.
I.e. Poland has the lowest alcohol consumption of the remaining countries but has the highest mortality rate due to liver cancer.

There are many more peculiarities contradicting any conclusion based on the reported research. I therefore think it is highly advisable for the individuals behind this product, to go back to the universities (if they ever visited one in the first place) and ask for their fees to be returned to them. They seem to have been subjected to a somewhat substandard education, or maybe they have not been exposed to the techniques of research? :confused:


Ali Omar

General Issues / Questions / Re: Scientific article on Pork
« on: May 09, 2006, 05:21:51 AM »
Dear sugar,

Ali you are what you eat

Being a vegetarian this makes me a???  :confused: :rotfl:
Good one??  :bravo:



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