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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Nineteen years trying to figure out Ramadan and I still don't get it.

« on: July 01, 2019, 08:33:08 PM »

The full moon dates from year 597 onwards
are the same as the full moon dates from 1982 on
due to the Metonic sycle.

So Prophet Muhammad
witnessed the Scorching Full Moon
on the following 33 nights.

Please note
that 12 of these Shahr Ramadans each
initiates a series of full moons made up of 13 full moons.
The arrow (--->) indicates the 13-moon series.

01) Jul. 05, 597/1982*   
02) Jun 25, 598/1983* ---> 1
03) Jul. 13, 599/1984 
04) Jul. 02, 600/1985 
05) Jun 22, 601/1986 ----> 2
06) Jul. 11, 602/1987 
07) Jun 29, 603/1988 ----> 3
08) Jul. 18, 604/1989 
09) Jul. 08, 605/1990 
10) Jun 27, 606/1991 ----> 4
11) Jul. 14, 607/1992 
12) Jul. 03, 608/1993 
13) Jun 23, 609/1994 ----> 5
14) Jul. 12, 610/1995 
15) Jul. 01, 611/1996  ----> 6
16) Jul. 20, 612/1997
17) Jul. 09, 613/1998 
18) Jun 28, 614/1999 ----> 7
19) Jul. 16, 615/2000 
20) Jul. 05, 616/2001 
21) Jun 25, 617/2002 ----> 8
22) Jul. 13, 618/2003 
23) Jul. 02, 619/2004   
24) Jun 22, 620/2005 ----> 9
25) Jul. 11, 621/2006 
26) Jun 29, 622/2007 ---> 10
27) Jul. 18, 623/2008 
28) Jul. 08, 624/2009   
29) Jun 27, 625/2010 ---> 11
30) Jul. 14, 626/2011   
31) Jul. 03, 627/2012 
32) Jun 23, 628/2013 ---> 12
33) Jul. 12, 629/2014*   

01) Jul. 02, 630/2015* --->1
...
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* https://www.moonsighting.com/actual-saudi-dates.pdf

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Nineteen years trying to figure out Ramadan and I still don't get it.

« on: June 28, 2019, 10:05:52 PM »

RaMaDan: scorching
TaRaMoD: inhumane hunting in hot time of the year (Ayman).

He hunted the gazelles
  pursuing them until,
  their legs being dislocated by the vehemently-heated ground,
  he took them. (Lane’s Lexicon, taRaMoD)

Gazelles* are found in small groups of 3-8 individuals… 
Mating occurs in October-Novemeber…
The gestation period is 180 days…
Births usually occur from April to May.
SUCKLING may last up to 3 months.   

O you who believe,
God will test you with some of the game for hunting
coming within reach of your hands (5:94);
do not kill any game while you are restricted (5:95).

What this shows to me is that
Shahr Ramadan
is the first restricted full moon after gazelles give birth in April to May,
rising always** right after the summer solstice.

This was the way it was when the Quran was revealed
and this is the way it is now.

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* https://animaldiversity.org/accounts/Gazella_gazella/
** http://astropixels.com/ephemeris/phasescat/phases2001.html

Jul. 05, 2001 --- Jul. 05, 2020
Jun 24, 2002 --- Jun 24, 2021
Jul. 13, 2003 --- Jul. 13, 2022
Jul. 02, 2004 --- Jul. 02, 2023
Jun 22, 2005 --- Jun 22, 2024
Jul. 11, 2006 --- Jul. 11, 2025
Jun 30, 2007 --- Jun 30, 2026
Jul. 18, 2008 --- Jul. 18, 2027
Jul. 07, 2009 --- Jul. 07, 2028
Jun 26, 2010 --- Jun 26, 2029
Jul. 15, 2011 --- Jul. 15, 2030
Jul. 03, 2012 --- Jul. 03, 2031
Jun 23, 2013 --- Jun 23, 2032
Jul. 12, 2014 --- Jul. 12, 2033
Jul. 02, 2015
Jul. 19, 2016
Jul. 09, 2017
Jun 28, 2018
Jul. 16, 2019

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Nineteen years trying to figure out Ramadan and I still don't get it.

« on: June 26, 2019, 07:27:30 PM »

...Also, the "nasi'" was an improper intercalation introduced at the end of the year every other year to delay the hunting restriction and violate it. So this means that the restricted full moons must occur at the beginning on the year.

The way I see it
is different.

The restricted moons are not part of the (solar) year,
they are part of the full moon series from one summer solstice to the next;
so they must ocur at the beginning of the FULL MOON SERIES.

The full moon series
and the (solar) year
are different concepts.

They are so different 
that the year is always made up of the same number of units (365 plus days)
but the series of full moons has changing number of units (12/13 full moons).

The following are the times of the Scorching Full Moon
which ocurs at the beginning of 33 full moon series.

Please note
that 12 of them each comes 19 days later than the former
because there are 13 full moons in the series the former initiates
and that extra 13th full moon causes the delay.

http://astropixels.com/ephemeris/phasescat/phases2001.html

Jul. 05, 2001 --- Jul. 05, 2020
Jun 24, 2002 --- Jun 24, 2021
Jul. 13, 2003 --- Jul. 13, 2022
Jul. 02, 2004 --- Jul. 02, 2023
Jun 22, 2005 --- Jun 22, 2024
Jul. 11, 2006 --- Jul. 11, 2025
Jun 30, 2007 --- Jun 30, 2026
Jul. 18, 2008 --- Jul. 18, 2027
Jul. 07, 2009 --- Jul. 07, 2028
Jun 26, 2010 --- Jun 26, 2029
Jul. 15, 2011 --- Jul. 15, 2030
Jul. 03, 2012 --- Jul. 03, 2031
Jun 23, 2013 --- Jun 23, 2032
Jul. 12, 2014 --- Jul. 12, 2033
Jul. 02, 2015
Jul. 19, 2016
Jul. 09, 2017
Jun 28, 2018
Jul. 16, 2019 

The day the year begins is man’s business;
he can decide it to be the day Jesus Christ was born
or the day Prophet Muhammad migrated.

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Nineteen years trying to figure out Ramadan and I still don't get it.

« on: June 26, 2019, 01:51:54 AM »

...Layth - I see where you're going but the videos make sense and I've now read a few Aabic speakers saying the root of Ramadan is Ramadiyu which means the end of summer rain??

Ayman too is an Arabic speaker;
and he says this
about the root and meaning* of Ramadan:

We know that one of the meanings of a derivitive of "RMD" ("TaRaMoD") means inhumane hunting in the hot time of the year by chasing an animal until its legs burn from the heat and it falls. Hunters can catch animals this way with their hands without using weapons (see 5:94 reference to catching prey by hands).

The hot time of the year is when young animals are newly born and are relying on their mother so killing the mother means sentencing her newborns to death by dehydration and starvation.

Notice that out of the punishments listed for violating the hunting restriction in 5:95 fasting is the only one followed by the reason being so that the hunter "tastes the consequence of his deed".

How does the hunter taste the consequence of his deed by fasting? He experiences the thirst and hunger of the wild animal during the hot time of the year when hunting is restricted.

This is why fasting was decreed. It is not to feel the suffering of the poor as people contend. The poor are not given a license not to fast. It is to feel the suffering of the wild life that we as leaders of the earth must take good care of. This is why we fast with the beginning of the hunting restriction.

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*Ra-Miim-Dad,
Ta-Ra-MoD,
Lane's Lexicon, p 322, meaning 5:

He drove the gazelles
upon the ground or stones vehemently heated by the sun
until their hoofs became dissundered or dislocated
and so they were taken...

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Nineteen years trying to figure out Ramadan and I still don't get it.

« on: June 22, 2019, 07:54:37 PM »

Salam,

I'm not sure what you mean here as the Christian calendar is a pure solar one, whilst the Quran uses a luni-solar.

As to Jesus's birthday, that is concluded by deducting 9 months from when the dates ripen (August/September).

Yes, the year system which the Quran uses is solar
but its months are not shahrs
because SHAHR which the Quran mentions in 2:185, 9:36 and 10:5 (moon phase) is FULL MOON;
it is not month.

So the year in the Quran
is simply solar;
it is not lunisolar. 

For example in the time span
from summer solstice 2015 to summer solstice 2016
there are 13 shahrs:

01. Ramadan* -----------> Jul 02, 2015 (First crescent, Jun 16, is 5 days before Jun 21).
02. Shawwal -------------> Jul 31
03. Zul-Qa’dah ----------> Aug 29
04. Zul-Hijjah -----------> Sep 28
05. Muharram -----------> Oct 27
06. Safar  ----------------> Nov 25
07. Rabi-Al-Awwal--------> Dec 25
08. Rabi-Al-Thani --------> Jan 24
09. Jumada-Al-Awwal ----> Feb 22
10. Jumada-Al-Thani -----> Mar 23
11. Rajab  ----------------> Apr 22
12. Shaban ---------------> May 21
13. -------------------> Jun 20, 2016 (Last crescent, Jul 04, is 14 days after Jun 21).

01. Jul. 19, 2016
…
 
If SHAHR was a lunar month lasting 29.5 days
13 shahrs would be 384 days long
and they woluld not have enough room in the 365-day time-span.


384 – 365 = 19

They have enough room now
because they are full moon nights
like laylatul qadr.

The 19 days are placed
before and after the 365-day span between the two solstices;
that is, OUTSIDE the 365-day time-span.

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* https://www.moonsighting.com/actual-saudi-dates.pdf

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Those their right hands possess verses

« on: May 20, 2019, 01:37:45 AM »

Peace

I have some questions about this...

We all know humans, male or female have a soul right? So we're all souls in either male/ female bodies. The bodies aren't really us, it's the soul. The body is just the outer shell.

We know we shouldn't just view someone as their body because that's objectification. Also, men do not 'possess' women and neither do women 'possess' men. Humans do not OWN/ POSSESS other humans. We belong to God, right?

So why are women talked about here in terms of possession? Some websites even state that it also refers to men...

Peace Sarah. I would like to make 2 points:

1.Men also seem to be talked about in terms of possession. Please refer to كَاتِبُوهُمْ in 24:33.
2.As a matter of fact the possessor is one person's oath like in 33:50 or several people's oaths like in 24:33.
Your oath makes you resposible rather than possessor.
 

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer

« on: May 08, 2019, 03:04:24 AM »

Salam,

I would like to add a comment on this 12 or 13 months issue.

The Quran is very clear in 9:36, that the "count of the months with God are 12 months".

This verse is what has caused a tailspin with the Sunni/Shia calendar causing them to chop-off the 13th months which used to be inserted to stabilize the year (although the Qur'an states that they were guilty of manipulation by inserting the 13th year every other year - when it should have been nearly every 3rd year).

As has been pointed out in this thread, the "month" is a full cycle of the moon - lasting 29-30 days, and is not the sighting of the crescent or the full moon.

As such, the statement in 9:36 becomes very clear: the 12 months in 1 year are a factual statement, as there can NEVER be 13 full cycles in 1-year (383 days), further defining to us that the length of the Quran's count of the year, using full months, cannot be less than 354 or greater than 384.

Following are the Scorching Full Moon nights;
--> .. indicating the exact time of the 13th full moon in the
full moon series initiated by the Scorching Full Moon.

https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2033&country=74
 
Jul. 05, 2001
Jun 25, 2002 --> 01
Jul. 13, 2003
Jul. 02, 2004
Jun 22, 2005 --> 02
Jul. 11, 2006
Jun 30, 2007 --> 03
Jul. 18, 2008
Jul. 07, 2009
Jun 26, 2010 --> 04
Jul. 15, 2011
Jul. 03, 2012
Jun 23, 2013 --> 05
Jul. 12, 2014
Jul. 02, 2015 --> 06
Jul. 20, 2016
Jul. 09, 2017
Jun 28, 2018 --> 07
Jul. 17, 2019
Jul. 05, 2020
Jun 25, 2021 -- >08
Jul. 13, 2022
Jul. 02, 2023
Jun 22, 2024 --> 09
Jul. 11, 2025
Jun 30, 2026 --> 10
Jul. 18, 2027
Jul. 07, 2028
Jun 26, 2029 --> 11
Jul. 15, 2030
Jul. 03, 2031
Jun 23, 2032 --> 12
Jul. 12, 2033

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer

« on: May 07, 2019, 08:09:48 PM »

... The equinoxes will only give you the count of half a year and not a year as per 17:12.

In years where you get 13 full-moons between summer solstices, you simply ignore the 13th moon and skip counting it and count only 12 as per 9:36. This realigns the year so that the first full-moon is always the one after the summer solstice.

Peace and best regards,

Ayman

What realigns the year is not full moons but man's choice of the day when the year should start.
For example the Christians who drew up their calendar have chosen Jesus Christ's birthday,
so muslims may choose the day when Prophet Muhammed migrated from Medina.
This is none of the business of the full moons because the year is not made up of full moons but months.

Full moons and months are different things.

The following are not months;
they are each a 12/13-full moon series between summer solstices:

--------1----------2-----3-------4-------5-------6-------7------8------9------10------11-----12-----13---
A.Jun 28, 2018-Jul 27-Aug 26-Sep 25-Oct 24-Nov 23-Dec 22-Jan 21-Feb 19-Mar 21-Apr 19-May 19-Jun 17
B.Jul 17, 2019-Aug 15-Sep 14-Oct 14-Nov 12-Dec 12-Jan 10-Feb 09-Mar 09-Apr 08-May 07-Jun 05 ..........
C.Jul 05, 2020-Aug 03-Sep 02-Oct 02-?

The 13th full moon of June 17, 2019 takes place in the series before summer solstice 2019
because it rises BEFORE summer solstice 2019.

The 12th full moon of June 05, 2020 takes place in the series before summer solstice 2020
because it rises BEFORE summer solstice 2020.

God has decided their place, so they stay where they are;
all which man has to do is abide by God's decision.

Man has no power, anyways, to postpone a full moon;
neither does he have any power to skip counting it.
Each full moon stays in the series where it belongs to and man lives it during its due time.

The number of full moons in series A is 13,
and the number of full moon in series B is 12;
This is God's truth, and man will acept it.

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer

« on: May 05, 2019, 07:59:00 PM »

https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2018&country=74

--------1----------2-----3-------4-------5-------6-------7------8------9------10------11-----12-----13---
A.Jun 28, 2018-Jul 27-Aug 26-Sep 25-Oct 24-Nov 23-Dec 22-Jan 21-Feb 19-Mar 21-Apr 19-May 19-Jun 17
B.Jul 17, 2019-Aug 15-Sep 14-Oct 14-Nov 12-Dec 12-Jan 10-Feb 09-Mar 09-Apr 08-May 07-Jun 05 ..........
C.Jul 05, 2020-Aug 03-Sep 02-Oct 02-?

A, B, C are not a year;
they are each a series of full moons between summer solstices;
and each one of them begins on Shahr Ramadan (Scorching).

The year begins on June 21, when the longest daytime is lived.

The first 4 full moons of each series
are arba?AAtun hurum (9:36), restricted four, as hunting is restricted in them.

If you want to avoid the restriction,
you postpone the last non-restricted full moon of a series, e.g. Jun 17, 2019
and live it in place of the following first restricted full moon, e.g. July 17, 2019
or you postpone Jun 05, 2020 and live it in place of July 05, 2020.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: How do you understand fasting

« on: May 04, 2019, 07:06:35 PM »

I haven't reached any conclusions on this topic but this is a reasonable article:
http://islam-and-muslims.com/timing.html

Doesn't mean I agree with all of it.

Ayman is right: SHAHR is full moon.

One of the proofs is the fact
that in the 365-day timespan between summer solstices there are 13 "shahr"s,
such as from summer solstice 2018 to summer solstice 2019.

If shahr was the whole lunar cycle lasting 29.5 days, all 13 of them would add up to 384 days
and they would not have enough room in the 365-day long time span.
They do in God's order; that is, all 13 "shahr"s have room in the 365-day time span
because they are each a full moon.

Another point is that it is impossible to fast the whole 29.5-day long lunar cycle
because God says  "Whoever of you witnesses the shahr shall fast it (2:185);
that is, you will witness the shahr first, and you will start fasting it AFTER that.
But when you witness the so-called Ramadan crescent in the evening,
the first day of Ramadan is already gone without you fasting it.

In order to cover up this fact
they claim*
that the Islamic cycle of a day begins with the setting, not the rising of the sun.

But their claim is ridiculous
because the crescent rises a few minutes after the sun and voyages in the sky towards the west
but it is not Ramadan down on the earth.
God reigns in the skies but fails on the earth?

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* https://abdurrahman.org/2009/09/09/the-islamic-date-hijri-date-starts-after-maghrib/