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Quranic Divinity / Re: Qur'an Universe Model Is Geocentric
« on: January 17, 2019, 06:46:54 AM »
Saalam Neptin,
I do believe the earth is 100% flat. There's a lot of verses talk about it in Quran. I would like to share my thought in this forum, please find it here..

it's not just about the flat earth model, but also talk about the "tree that was cursed in the quran" (as they said). Actually it's a palm tree model which has become the test for the mankind. You will get the big picture if you read the entire post series.

Please let me know your thoughts.


Brother Cerberus has given you the benefit of a doubt and is asking you to search INSIDE YOU,
But you keep searching outside you and outside Qoran?

yes, I agree with you Good logic, to search inside of us for the truth.

51:20 And on the earth are signs for those who comprehend.
51:21 And within yourselves; do you not see?

within ourselves, we can find the truth.

41:53 We will show them Our signs in the horizons, and within themselves, until it becomes clear to them that this is the truth. Is it not enough that your Lord is witness over all things?

We can compare the creation of the universe with the creation of man, just about the scale.

40:57 The creation of the heavens and the earth is greater than the creation of the people, but most of the people do not know.

I have my own opinion regarding "searching inside of us" for the truth in here,

Hope it helps.


I would like to continue sharing about the flat earth based on what I've found in scriptures.

You can check related post about the palm tree model or tree of life in here,

First I'd like to share more about the rawasiya. I found something interesting in this following verse,

41:10 And He placed in it anchor <rawasiya> from fawqiha, and He blessed it and established its provisions in proportion in four days, to satisfy those who ask.

Fawqiha =Fa-Waw-Qaf here also means the part of arrow, which is the place of the bow string [ie. notch]

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and there's another meaning of the Fa-Waw-Qaf related to it,

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So it talks about the rima of the vulva.

From my previous posts above, I do understand that the human body especially female reproductive system is similar with our universe. Small scale of the universe.

40:57 The creation of the heavens and the earth is greater than the creation of the people, but most of the people do not know.

Still within the context, now I understand that the rawasiya or anchor that hold the earth is located on the notch or vulva's rima of the womb of the universe. So now by looking at the female body structure, we can compare and located where's actually the rawasiya of the earth attached to.

So now what happens when the judgment day comes?

Lets take a look at this verses, and I put the possible meaning of the words so you can see for yourself,

79:1 wal-nāziʿāti gharqan

Naziati = Nun-Zay-Ayn = to draw forth, take away, pluck out, bring out, snatch away, remove, strip off, tear off, extract, withdraw, draw out sharply, perform ones duty, yearn, depose high officials, resemble, draw with vigour, invite others to truth, rise, ascend, draw from the abode or bottom, carry off forcibly, deprive.

Gharqan = Gh-Ra-Qaf = sank, drowned, went downwards and disappeared, became without need, drew the bow to the full, outstripped, engrossed, a man overwhelmed by trials, single draught, ornamented, obligatory, suddenly/violently, to come near to any one.

79:2 wal-nāshiṭāti nashṭan

Nun-Shiin-Tay =
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79:3 wal-sābiḥāti sabḥan

Siin-Ba-Ha = to swim, roll onwards, perform a daily course, float, the act of swimming, occupy oneself in: the accomplishment of his needful affairs or seeking the means of subsistence, business/occupation, those who are floating, went/travel far, being quick/swift. To praise/glorify/hallow/magnify, sing/celebrate praise, holy, declaring God to be far removed or free for every imperfection/impurity

79:4 fal-sābiqāti sabqan

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79:5 fal-mudabirāti amran

So as to carry out a command.

79:6 yawma tarjuful rājifatu

On the Day the ground shakes.

79:7 tatbaʿuhā l-rādifatu

It will be followed by the second

So I got a picture that the rawasiya or the anchor that hold the earth will be pulled up like a bow in full until it loosed, untied, and the earth float upon the waters (see my previous posts about the earth upon the waters) and shakes then followed by the second events.

We are ready to reborn...

Start with bleeding,

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55:37 When the sky is torn, and turns like a rose colored paint.

And in the process of birth, the heavens or walls of this womb also become weak, loose, saggy (wahiyatun)

69:16 And the sky will be torn, and on that Day it will be flimsy <wahiyatun>.

And there will be a "cervix dilation" an opening for the baby,

78:19 And the heaven is opened, so it becomes gates.

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So we are ready to reborn to second life.. the eternal life.

and let's see what the other scriptures said about the judgment day,

Book of Revelation
Revelation 12

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

and from the apocrypha,

2 Esdras Chapter 4

40 So he answered me, and said, Go thy way to a woman with child, and ask of her when she hath fulfilled her nine months, if her womb may keep the birth any longer within her.

41 Then said I, No, Lord, that can she not. And he said unto me, In the grave the chambers of souls are like the womb of a woman:

42 For like as a woman that travaileth maketh haste to escape the necessity of the travail: even so do these places haste to deliver those things that are committed unto them.

From Book of Enoch


1. And thus the Lord commanded the kings and the mighty and the exalted, and those who dwell on the earth, and said: 'Open your eyes and lift up your horns if ye are able to recognize the Elect One.'

2. And the Lord of Spirits seated him on the throne of His glory,
And the spirit of righteousness was poured out upon him,
And the word of his mouth slays all the sinners,
And all the unrighteous are destroyed from before his face.

3. And there shall stand up in that day all the kings and the mighty,
And the exalted and those who hold the earth,
And they shall see and recognize How he sits on the throne of his glory,
And righteousness is judged before him,
And no lying word is spoken before him.

4. Then shall pain come upon them as on a woman in travail,
[And she has pain in bringing forth]
When her child enters the mouth of the womb,
And she has pain in bringing forth.

Woman in travail consistently used in God's scripture to illustrate the judgment day.

May Allah protect us.


God has warned us about this conspiracy things.

58:10 Secret meetings are from the devil, to cause grief to those who believed. However, he cannot harm them except if God wills. In God the believers shall put their trust.

58:8 Have you noted those who were prohibited from holding meetings in secret, but then they go back to what they have been prohibited from? They meet secretly to commit sin, transgression, and disobedience of the messenger.

But if we have to do a secret meeting, we have to do it in righteousness.

58:9   O you who believe, if you must meet secretly, then you shall not meet to commit sin, transgression, and to disobey the messenger. You shall meet to work righteousness and piety. And be aware of God, before whom you will be summoned.

So why all this ellites are conspiring?

This is a recurring story. We should know the motives, who behind this at very top. The Qur'an tells about people in the past us so we can take lessons.

Let's start with a trio of Firawn-Haman-Qarun.

29:39 And Qarun and Pharaoh and Haman. And Moses had already come to them with clear evidences, and they were arrogant in the land, but they were not outrunners

Who is Qarun?

28:76 Indeed, Qarun was from the people of Moses, but he tyrannized them. And We gave him of treasures whose keys would burden a band of strong men; thereupon his people said to him, "Do not exult. Indeed, Allah does not like the exultant.

Qarun is the financial side.

Who is Haman?

28:38 And Pharaoh said, "O eminent ones, I have not known you to have a god other than me. Then ignite for me, O Haman, [a fire] upon the clay and make for me a tower that I may look at the God of Moses. And indeed, I do think he is among the liars.

28:6 And establish them in the land and show Pharaoh and Haman and their soldiers through them that which they had feared.

Haman is represent the government, he had military power.

And they were under control by,

79:24 And (firawn) said, "I am your most exalted lord."

The spiritual leader. He had been punished and become an example for us.

79:25 So Allah seized him in exemplary punishment for the last and the first.

10:92 So today We will save you in body that you may be to those who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the people, of Our signs, are heedless

So this all about money, power and spiritual things. The same strategy had been used by Iblees at the very beginning,

17:16 And incite whoever you (Iblees) can among them with your voice and assault them with your horses and foot soldiers and become a partner in their wealth and their children and promise them." But Satan does not promise them except delusion.

Iblees only focus to the spiritual things,

7:16 [Iblees] said, "Because You have put me in error, I will surely sit in wait for them on Your straight path.

And use the military power, cavalry (horses) and infantry (foot soldier) together with the wealth financial system (as mentioned in 17:16) as his tools.

Now let's see what happens in the world today.

It's gonna be a long post to explain about the corrupted financial system, but you can see how the government and the financial institution work together in a what I called "secret meeting" in youtube video below,

The Biggest Scam In The History Of Mankind - Hidden Secrets of Money

And you can witness the used of military power to destroy people every where.

But the government didn't stop there. As the ruler, they have capability to control people's mind through the school system. We are only taught about the things they want us to know.

The globe earth is only one of their agenda. To see the connection and motives, I suggest you to watch this video completely to the end.

And all this party could be used by Iblees, the spiritual side (as the Haman work for Firawn),  by exploiting the human greed.

They will make the easy ones to be difficult ones .. So that we stop asking and surrender, and put aside the Lord's guidance.

- Spiritual is easy, but they make it difficult. Al Quran is simplified, is there anybody want to take a lesson?
- The creation of heaven and earth is simple, the earth is flat and motionless, the heavenly bodies moving around. But they fill with the physics and imaginary equations so that it becomes so complex and difficult.

92:5   As for he who gives and is righteous.
92:6   And trusts in goodness.
92:7   We will make for him the easy path.
92:8   And as for he who is stingy and holds back.
92:9   And denies goodness.
92:10 We will make for him the difficult path.

So when somebody ask for the motive, I just simply said this is Iblees motive.

Iblees know that,

3:18   God bears witness that there is no god except He, as do the angels, and those with knowledge, He is standing with justice. There is no god except He, the Noble, the Wise.

With the true science according to God's guidance, then man will be able to witness the existence of One Supreme.

So it is very important for Iblees to separate the scriptures and science, so that the information from the God's scriptures will look like a fairy tales, out-of-date and it is not worth coupling with what they called "modern science".


I think it's not the stars used to chase the satan away (and also the human, if they can make it), but a kind of intense heat/projectile/flame of fire. Stars has their clear path in the sky. I have put my opinion on this in here,

The more I think about it the more convinced I am that they already knew something.

They are not stupid at all, but they have to twist the truth to make profit from it.




hope it can helps..


Pilgrimage (Hajj) / Re: Hajj for the Arafah
« on: April 21, 2018, 09:40:50 AM »
I have read it, and I think it's already cover most part of the Hajj and things related to it. It could be a good start for people to look more for the Hajj, and to develop their own understanding.


Pilgrimage (Hajj) / Re: Hajj for the Arafah
« on: April 18, 2018, 11:45:29 AM »
Salaam Wakas,
No, I didn't. But thanks anyway for sharing the link.


Pilgrimage (Hajj) / Re: Hajj for the Arafah
« on: April 15, 2018, 10:25:21 AM »
Salaam Rilum,
it comes from

In English the root's meanings translate as: Pounding or crushing (al-&unuqa: (on) the neck) (daqqul-&unuqa), distinguishing/ranking above others (farraqahu, kharaqahu), jostling, pressing or crowding(crowds:zahm), any crowding(or crowds), competition. (izdihaam) heaping/piling together/amassing (taraakib), super-imposition of things on top of other things (taraakim), a man/male having or the trying to have sex with a female, denial or rejection a thing or person's dignity, to humiliate, cancellation/dissolution/breaking, being in need or being stout, muscular or rough, from activity.


Pilgrimage (Hajj) / Hajj for the Arafah
« on: April 12, 2018, 01:23:34 PM »
I would like to share my thoughts and what I have done regarding hajj.

To me, hajj is kind of celebration and thanks to God for the guidance we got from "intensively" studying the Quran during Ramadhan fasting.

My starting point for the hajj is the parable in the following verse,

29:41 The example of those who take allies other than Allah is like that of the spider who takes a home <baytan>. And indeed, the weakest of homes is the home of the spider, if they only knew.

29:43 And these examples We present to the people, but none will understand them except those of knowledge.

This verse metaphorically illustrates that belief in gods other than Allah is like the "house" of the spider. A very weak house.

So from here I began to be vigilant, if God talks about the house in his verses, I should be able to distinguish which one is metaphorically house and which one is really a physical house.

What I got according to my senses, if it is a metaphor, then the word house is usually followed by the existence of the God, either polytheis, or monotheis.

Here is the example:

16:26   Those before them had schemed, so God came to their buildings from the foundation, thus the roof fell on top of them; and the retribution came to them from where they did not know.

16:27   Then, on the Day of Resurrection He will humiliate them, and say: "Where are My partners regarding whom you used to dispute?" Those who have received the knowledge said: "The humiliation today and the misery are upon the rejecters.

This building is no a physical building, but a parable to illustrate the existence of the God, in this verse, the polytheist one.

The same approach I found in the Gospel of Barnabas,

Chap 33

Then said he who had invited him: 'Master, which is the greatest sin?'

Jesus answered: 'Which is the greatest ruin of a house?'

Everyone was silent, when Jesus with his finger pointed to the foundation, and said: 'If the foundation give way, immediately the house falleth in ruin, in such wise that it is necessary to build it up anew: but if every other part give way it can be repaired. Even so then say I to you, that idolatry is the greatest sin, because it depriveth a man entirely of faith, and consequently of God; so that he can have no spiritual affection. But every other sin leaveth to man the hope of obtaining mercy: and therefore I say that idolatry is the greatest sin.'

The greatest sin is idolatry, the house of spider, the weakest house.

If there is a weak house of polytheism, of course there is a strong house with solid foundations that represents the opposite beliefs (monotheist) as illustrated by the following verse,

24:36 In houses which Allah has ordered to be raised and that His name be mentioned therein; exalting Him within them in the morning and the evenings

One of the is the house that were raised on its foundation by Abraham and Ishmael,

2:127 And it was so, that Abraham was raising the foundations for the house, and Ishmael: "Our Lord accept this from us, You are the Hearer, the Knowledgeable."

22:26   And We have directed Abraham to the location of the house: "Do not set up anyone with Me, and purify My shrine for those who visit, and those who are standing, and the kneeling, the prostrating."

I could recognize that the house in the verses above is a parable of the monotheistic beliefs, as opposed to the weak house made by the polytheists which has been explained metaphorically as the spider house, the weakest house.

A House which is mentioned and followed by existence of the divine (monotheism) command, "Do not set up anyone with Me" is a parable.

So for me, the houses of Ibrahim and Ismail, was not a physical house form, but it's a monotheist belief, a safe place for all the people who enter it.

Now after the initial idea of the "House" was formed, all of my understanding of the Hajj had to be adapted to that idea.

Since the House was declared as something non-physical, then the physical journey to certain location was no longer needed. So I choose the following translation for the Hajj,

Haji = Haa-Jiim-Jiim = to intend to a certain target, and the target is monotheism.

So for me, the hajj  is calling people to return to the one God, regardless of what their beliefs.

Since the hajj will attended by the people who has different creed, so I can see the connection of this verse,

2:197 ...and no disputing during Hajj.

We don't need to talk about the our "sharia" with the people who come from different beliefs.

22:67   For every umma We have established rites which they are to fulfill. So do not let the matter fall into dispute. And call upon your Lord, for you are on a guidance which is straight.

Just call upon the Lord.

The Hajj is also means feast, we slaughtering the cattle and give it to the poor, using a procedure called "Safa & Marwa".

Here is how to do it,

2:158 Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah.

22:36   And the plump livestock, We have made them for you to be among the symbols of God; you will have benefit in them. So mention the name of Allah upon them when lined up <sawaffa>; then, once their sides have become still, you may eat from them and feed with them the poor and the needy. Thus have We subjected them to you that you may be grateful..

The plump livestock, Safa <sawaffa>& Marwah are the symbols of Allah.

Marwah= Miim-Ra-Waw = flint stones, white fragile stone where a cooking fire is started or from which blades are made, the stone on which an animal is slaughtered, hard, barren land, type of fragrant tree. The eminence in the immediate vicinity of Ka'bah, a mountain near Mecca called Marwah.

So the procedure is,

1. Line up the cattle <sawaffa>
2. Mention the God's name upon them
3. Slaughtering the cattle on Marwah <the stone on which an animal is slaughtered>

As a result we will witness the greatness of God, which is mentioned in the last sentence of the verse,

22:36 ..It was thus that We have subjected them for you, that you may be thankful..

the animals were in total surrender, not struggling when slaughtered, and the death was calm.

I have prove it by myself,

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So Safa and Marwa are slaughter procedures that will show the greatness of God that anyone can do, regardless of the people creeds, as long as he/she believes in One God. The goal is that we all understand that our Lord is one God.

You can see on this video to see how it works,

Lastly, I am re-translating to this Bakkah verse, with a more relevant sense in my opinion,

3:96 inna awwala baytin wudhi'a lilnnaasi lalladhii bibakkata mubaarakan wahudan lil'aalamiina


Alif-Waw-Lam - its origin or source; his or its original state,

house (please understand as monotheism)

Waw-Dad-Ayn = the proper place of a thing.

for the mankind

those who

= Ba-Kaf-Kaf (e.g. bakka) = distinguishing/ranking above others


and a guidance

for the worlds.

3:96 Indeed, something that originated from monotheism (baytin) is a proper place for people who in the difference with another (in beliefs), which is blessed, and guidance for whole worlds.

And this verse also becomes clear to me,

2:189  They ask you regarding the crescent moons, say: "They are a timing mechanism for the mankind and the Hajj." And piety is not that you would enter the houses (monotheism) and become distinct <ẓuhūrihā>, but piety is whoever is righteous and comes to the houses (monotheism) in its proper manners <abwābihā> . And be aware of God that you may succeed.

Za-ha-Ra = become distinct, distinguish

Ba-Waw-Ba = mode/manner.

We should not be different from each other only cause of different creed as long as we worship the God alone.


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